I agree with both points.

Best
Richard

Sent from my Huawei Mobile


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Internet 2030
From: Daniel Karrenberg
To: Richard Hill
CC: Cooperation WG RIPE



On 9 Apr 2020, at 12:36, Richard Hill wrote:

> Please see below.
>
> Thanks and best,
> Richard
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cooperation-wg [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Daniel Karrenberg
>> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:33
>> To: Gordon Lennox
>> Cc: Cooperation WG RIPE
>> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Internet 2030
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Gordon Lennox wrote:
>>
>>> Meanwhile this is from ETSI: …
>>
>>
>> However we read these proposals to re-invent things from the
>> standards
>> politics angle, the messages RIPE should send are:
>>
>> The Internet with TCP/IP protocols is the global utility for
>> communication these days. Any new standards, especially those
>> tailored
>> to particular operational domains like mobile, must be interoperable
>> and
>> any new deployments must interoperate.
>
> I can't resist adding that, in hindsight, it would have been better if
> IPv6 had been backwards compatible with IPv4.

Not only with hindsight. There was even a brief period when this was
about to happen. If I remember correctly it was the major router vendors
who flatly stated this would not be implementable. But my memory is not
what it used to be ….

>>
>> Hallway talk: the atrocious kludges that are deployed today for
>> running
>> Internet over mobile are partly due to the relevant standards bodies
>> not
>> talking.
>>
>> Therefore anyone proposing to do work on standards needs to at least
>> closely work with the IETF in the standardisation area if not work
>> within the IETF.
>
> As I presume we all know, standardization is a very competitive
> business, and forum-shopping is a fact of life. If one SDO does not
> deliver what participants want, they will move to a different SDO.

Absolutely true. Therefore our task as operators should be to argue at
least for cooperation and to offer operational advice.

Stay safe and healthy

Daniel