Another one MoU bites the dust
Congratulations! Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond? And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums? And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region). So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation. In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry". There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU. Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment). Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Alexander It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list I've no idea what if any value it brings. Olivier might be able to enlighten us. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of isavnin@gmail.com> wrote: Congratulations! Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond? And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums? And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region). So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation. In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry". There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU. Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment). Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
The MOU is published here https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf Together with other MOUs https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 at 14:02, Michele Neylon - Blacknight < michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Alexander
It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list
I've no idea what if any value it brings.
Olivier might be able to enlighten us.
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" < cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of isavnin@gmail.com> wrote:
Congratulations!
Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond?
And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?
And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).
So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation.
In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".
There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU.
Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment).
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
-- -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Thank you, Hans Petter. To clarify, a report will be forthcoming to this list shortly on last week’s ICANN event, and that will include announcement of the MoU with EURALO (the goal being not to bombard the community with multiple emails). That said, I’m very happy to discuss the thinking behind the RIPE NCC’s plans to establish agreements with third parties. In fact, it’s almost exactly a year since we published an article regarding this on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/chrisb/building-and-documenting-stronger-relat... Since then, we’ve been practicing our “elevator pitch”, which might be more useful in this instance: The RIPE NCC is looking to develop agreements (such as Memoranda of Understanding) with third parties, including business associations, community organisations and government bodies, for three reasons: 1. To identify opportunities to better cooperate on activities of mutual benefit. Basically, the content of the specific agreement - what do we plan to cooperate on, what are our common goals? 2. To build more robust relationships. While personal relationships are important and can help establish organisational relationships, people move jobs, positions change - formal agreements help ensure that those organisational relationships remain clear and intact. 3. Transparency! The RIPE NCC has relationships with many different kinds of organisations, and our membership and community have a legitimate interest in what those relationships actually entail - by documenting what we hope to achieve through these relationships in an MoU (or similar), we provide greater transparency towards for our membership and community. As Hans Petter noted, all of the agreements that the RIPE NCC has made are available on ripe.net: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations With specific regard to the EURALO MoU, this was an agreement that both EURALO and the RIPE NCC were very pleased to sign (and indeed, the RIPE NCC is the last of the five RIRs to sign an MoU with their regional At-Large association), and the ICANN meeting seemed the appropriate venue. Our common interests, both in technical matters (e.g. raising awareness of the need for IPv6 adoption) and more governance-related issues (e.g. support for open, bottom-up, inclusive policymaking structures) are clear and long-standing. Best regards, Chris Buckridge External Relations Manager RIPE NCC
On 6 Nov 2017, at 18:48, Hans Petter Holen <hph@oslo.net> wrote:
The MOU is published here https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf
Together with other MOUs https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 at 14:02, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: Alexander
It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list
I've no idea what if any value it brings.
Olivier might be able to enlighten us.
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of isavnin@gmail.com> wrote:
Congratulations!
Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond?
And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?
And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).
So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation.
In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".
There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU.
Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment).
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
-- -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Hi all, I personally think it is very useful for the RIPE NCC to establish these relationships, but also to be transparent and open about them. An MoU is a simple way of clarifying the relationship as well as being transparent about it to the broader community. It’s very helpful to see the list of organisations the RIPE NCC has MoUs with (I wasn’t aware of this page!). Keep up the good work. Thanks, Nurani
On 7 Nov 2017, at 10:18, Chris Buckridge <chrisb@ripe.net> wrote:
Thank you, Hans Petter.
To clarify, a report will be forthcoming to this list shortly on last week’s ICANN event, and that will include announcement of the MoU with EURALO (the goal being not to bombard the community with multiple emails).
That said, I’m very happy to discuss the thinking behind the RIPE NCC’s plans to establish agreements with third parties. In fact, it’s almost exactly a year since we published an article regarding this on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/chrisb/building-and-documenting-stronger-relat...
Since then, we’ve been practicing our “elevator pitch”, which might be more useful in this instance:
The RIPE NCC is looking to develop agreements (such as Memoranda of Understanding) with third parties, including business associations, community organisations and government bodies, for three reasons:
1. To identify opportunities to better cooperate on activities of mutual benefit. Basically, the content of the specific agreement - what do we plan to cooperate on, what are our common goals?
2. To build more robust relationships. While personal relationships are important and can help establish organisational relationships, people move jobs, positions change - formal agreements help ensure that those organisational relationships remain clear and intact.
3. Transparency! The RIPE NCC has relationships with many different kinds of organisations, and our membership and community have a legitimate interest in what those relationships actually entail - by documenting what we hope to achieve through these relationships in an MoU (or similar), we provide greater transparency towards for our membership and community.
As Hans Petter noted, all of the agreements that the RIPE NCC has made are available on ripe.net: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations
With specific regard to the EURALO MoU, this was an agreement that both EURALO and the RIPE NCC were very pleased to sign (and indeed, the RIPE NCC is the last of the five RIRs to sign an MoU with their regional At-Large association), and the ICANN meeting seemed the appropriate venue. Our common interests, both in technical matters (e.g. raising awareness of the need for IPv6 adoption) and more governance-related issues (e.g. support for open, bottom-up, inclusive policymaking structures) are clear and long-standing.
Best regards,
Chris Buckridge External Relations Manager RIPE NCC
On 6 Nov 2017, at 18:48, Hans Petter Holen <hph@oslo.net> wrote:
The MOU is published here https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf
Together with other MOUs https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 at 14:02, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote: Alexander
It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list
I've no idea what if any value it brings.
Olivier might be able to enlighten us.
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of isavnin@gmail.com> wrote:
Congratulations!
Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond?
And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?
And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).
So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation.
In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".
There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU.
Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment).
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
-- -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
Hi all, I couldn't agree more Nurani. Not only was I unaware of this list (thanks for sharing Hans Peter!), but I support your rationale, Chris. I was surprised about two things: 1. That there aren't that many MoUs in existence that predate 2016, and 2. That RIPE NCC signed one with my alma mater, the American University of Beirut (AUB). It's great that RIPE NCC is being transparent about the collaboration it is engaging in, and I warmly welcome this positive development. Best, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia #Netgov consultant & researcher | editor Belgrade, Serbia Skype: mikeoghia Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> *|* LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Nurani Nimpuno <nurani@nimblebits.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I personally think it is very useful for the RIPE NCC to establish these relationships, but also to be transparent and open about them. An MoU is a simple way of clarifying the relationship as well as being transparent about it to the broader community.
It’s very helpful to see the list of organisations the RIPE NCC has MoUs with (I wasn’t aware of this page!).
Keep up the good work.
Thanks, Nurani
On 7 Nov 2017, at 10:18, Chris Buckridge <chrisb@ripe.net> wrote:
Thank you, Hans Petter.
To clarify, a report will be forthcoming to this list shortly on last week’s ICANN event, and that will include announcement of the MoU with EURALO (the goal being not to bombard the community with multiple emails).
That said, I’m very happy to discuss the thinking behind the RIPE NCC’s plans to establish agreements with third parties. In fact, it’s almost exactly a year since we published an article regarding this on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/chrisb/building-and-documenting-stronger- relationships-with-external-organisations
Since then, we’ve been practicing our “elevator pitch”, which might be more useful in this instance:
The RIPE NCC is looking to develop agreements (such as Memoranda of Understanding) with third parties, including business associations, community organisations and government bodies, for three reasons:
1. To identify opportunities to better cooperate on activities of mutual benefit. Basically, the content of the specific agreement - what do we plan to cooperate on, what are our common goals?
2. To build more robust relationships. While personal relationships are important and can help establish organisational relationships, people move jobs, positions change - formal agreements help ensure that those organisational relationships remain clear and intact.
3. Transparency! The RIPE NCC has relationships with many different kinds of organisations, and our membership and community have a legitimate interest in what those relationships actually entail - by documenting what we hope to achieve through these relationships in an MoU (or similar), we provide greater transparency towards for our membership and community.
As Hans Petter noted, all of the agreements that the RIPE NCC has made are available on ripe.net: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement- external-organisations
With specific regard to the EURALO MoU, this was an agreement that both EURALO and the RIPE NCC were very pleased to sign (and indeed, the RIPE NCC is the last of the five RIRs to sign an MoU with their regional At-Large association), and the ICANN meeting seemed the appropriate venue. Our common interests, both in technical matters (e.g. raising awareness of the need for IPv6 adoption) and more governance-related issues (e.g. support for open, bottom-up, inclusive policymaking structures) are clear and long-standing.
Best regards,
Chris Buckridge External Relations Manager RIPE NCC
On 6 Nov 2017, at 18:48, Hans Petter Holen <hph@oslo.net> wrote:
The MOU is published here https://www.ripe.net/about-us/ what-we-do/ncc-euralo-mou.pdf
Together with other MOUs https://www.ripe.net/about-us/ what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 at 14:02, Michele Neylon - Blacknight < michele@blacknight.com> wrote: Alexander
It was discussed briefly on the EURALO mailing list
I've no idea what if any value it brings.
Olivier might be able to enlighten us.
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 02/11/2017, 06:31, "cooperation-wg on behalf of Alexander Isavnin" < cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of isavnin@gmail.com> wrote:
Congratulations!
Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond?
And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?
And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).
So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation.
In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".
There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU.
Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment).
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
-- -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph@oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net
”What do you mean, why’s it got to be signed?” ”It’s a MoU. You’ve got to sign MoUs.” Dear Michele, Hans Petter, Chris! Thank you for your replies. Dear Hans Petter, thank you for sending link to NCC Engagement page. I am aware of this page, and checked it when noticed MoU signing in ICANN60 Programme, i'v checked it on the date of signing, day after (when i wrote my first e-mail) - there was nothing about this MoU on that page. Text appeared on a date of your e-mail, and description and link to announcement - two weeks after - on 13th of November. A bit delayed transparency. And i have to confess - i am aware of this page because i had to ask a lot of questions to NCC, and generally curious to check what's behind "Beware of the Leopard" signs. Even such outstanding and communicating member of community like Nurani was not aware of such page on website. Dear Michele! Thank you for confirmation about discussion of this MoU by EURALO members. Exactly this information was inspiration for writing my questions. I even know, that MoU between 2 european organizations was signed in Abu-Dhabi, BECAUSE it had to signed in Copenhagen, but EURALO was discussing it's with members. Chris! Thank you for your reply. Actually i was expecting you to answer something like "NCC Managing Director allowed to sign everything he wants, look at corporate governance". Thank you for longer reply, even it does not answer most of my questions. I was checking ripe discussion list, NCC membership list, cooperation WD list, minutes of all WGs trying to find any discussion of this MoU. I got nothing. (well, maybe i was not accurate enough, you may send me a link to such discussion). So, EURALO discussed such MoU, but some NCC executive decided that NCC members (and community behind) do not deserve such discussion. Excellent corporate governance and accountability. Let me propose forward transparency. If something is going to happen in name of Association on behalf of it's members, let's announce it BEFORE it happened. Maybe there will be suggestions or objections. Somebody could point to reputational risks, reasonability and effectiveness of MoU can be discussed. Now some activities are presented in a way "So we did it, eat it with porridge" (Russian saying about completely useless or dangerous activity, you can do nothing about already) Clarifying relationships, communicating, externally relating just for demonstrating activity (and asking for more FTEs afterwards) is not enough. More suggestions? Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Hello, I fully support Alexander. On 11/02/17 09:30, Alexander Isavnin wrote:
Congratulations!
Another one MoU signed. RIPE NCC and EURALO. I have really strange feeling about it. Like my Right hand establishes Memorandum of Understanding with my Left hand: as member of ISOC Russian Chapter which is member of EURALO do i need to memorandumize understanding with me as representative of member of RIPE NCC? Do Axel Pawlik needs additional understanding with Olivier Crepin-Leblond?
And there are more questions: What kind of additional understanding needed between such organizations? Why it 's so urgent to sign up MoU for 2 European organizations no close to Europe than Abu-Dhabi? How to measure reasonability of such memorandums?
And even more, really important: How to control effectiveness and outcome of such MoUs? I have sad example of MoU with Russian Telco Ministry. NOTHING done from Russian Ministry side. Ministry promises to understand and promote RACI. Well, Ministry have educational institutions of professional and high education. NO RACI submissions to ENOG programme at all. (also question effectiveness of RACI in region).
So, i want to rise discussion about such MoUs. I do not feel need of such MoUs just to do something, or demonstrate "external relations" activities or demonstrate cooperation just to have possibility to report on cooperation.
In some cases "non-legal binding document" harmless for Europeans could be dangerous for others: mentioned MoU with Russian telco ministry - brings words "IP address" and "database" to official language of telco regulator, dreaming of "enforced routing registry".
There only one really important MoU - one around RIR system. Having number of meaningless documents around really inflates importance of that MoU.
Also, no discussions prior and announcements were made. Even no news is published, no possibility to see text of this MoU (at this moment).
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
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Alexander Isavnin -
Chris Buckridge -
Hans Petter Holen -
Michael J. Oghia -
Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Nurani Nimpuno -
Sergey