On 6 Feb 2017, at 11:43, Richard Hill wrote:

I agree with Patrik's comments below, except that I have not found any substantiation of the rumors (which is not to say that they are not correct). The list of inputs to the next SG20 meeting is at:

https://www.itu.int/md/T17-SG20-170313-C/en

I don't see anything that looks like a proposal to do what Patrik rightly criticizes, but I may have missed something, or there may be something in the pipeline that is not yet published.

Thanks for the information! paf

Best, Richard

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-----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Patrik Fältström Sent: lundi, 6. février 2017 11:29 To: Cooperation WG Subject: [cooperation-wg] SG20 and DONA etc

All,

I hear rumors SG20 is moving forward with ideas on prescribing DONA etc as The Directory and Naming System to use, and that it is a replacement for DNS. And that there is an upcoming SG20 meeting.

I personally find it being very important ITU-T in this case do not "select" specific naming mechanisms at all. There are numerous different systems that after being bootstrapped with the help of DNS and routing can act on its own. And it would be a disaster if ITU-T prescribe something at this time, unless the usage is very very specific and that harmonization really really is needed.

If we should spend time on new naming and lookup mechanisms, I would go for some completely new architectures that do not have any kind of root (neither technical, nor administrative) and instead use things like opportunistic encryption and randomization to find identifiers which globally get to know each other via some ad hoc routing mechanism.

paf

Please see below. Thanks and best, Richard

-----Original Message----- From: Jim Reid [mailto:jim@rfc1035.com] Sent: lundi, 6. février 2017 12:30 To: Richard Hill Cc: Cooperation WG Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] SG20 and DONA etc

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On 6 Feb 2017, at 10:43, Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch> wrote:

The list of inputs to the next SG20 meeting is at:

https://www.itu.int/md/T17-SG20-170313-C/en

Thanks for the link Richard. Do you know if there there other documents/contributions for this meeting which are only available to ITU members?

The inputs from the membership will be posted on the page referenced above.

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I don't see anything that looks like a proposal to do what Patrik rightly criticizes, but I may have missed something, or there may be something in the pipeline that is not yet published.

Well there is a master framework agreement (MoU?) between the DONA Foundation and the ITU: https://www.itu.int/md/S15-CL-INF-0013/en

That document does not appear to be in the public domain. Though I haven’t spent much time looking for it .

It is not easy to find. I had to ask where it is. It is here: https://www.itu.int/md/S15-CL-C-0094/en

The web page in the link above says "TSB has identified different uses of DOA for promoting and extending the benefits gained from telecommunications and ICTs, including safety, combating counterfeit devices and products and addressing environmental issues such as e- waste.”.

Yes. That resulted in a lot of discussion in the ITU Council, following which the MoU remains in force.

Something does appear to be in the pipeline

There were various proposals at WTSA to endorse DONA. But they were not accepted. I suspect (but have no evidence to that effect) that the folks that proposed that WTSA endorse DONA will submit similar proposals to SG20. But it is likely that there will be opposition to those proposals, so it is far from certain that they would be accepted.

and ITU seems to be (sort of) endorsing DOA. Can anyone on this list provide more details?

The role of the ITU Secretariat is specified in the MoU referenced above. What the role of ITU as an institution should or will be is a matter that is still being discussed, see the comments above regarding proposals submitted to WTSA and that might be submitted to SG20. Best, Richard