NIS2 update: EU ministers agreed on the general approach
Dear colleagues, We just received a message that the EU Ministers of the Transport, Telecommunications, and Energy Council, in their meeting today, have agreed to the general approach on the NIS 2 proposal. This now paves the way for the negotiations, the so called trilogue, to start early next year and develop a final compromise proposal. While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive, together with a short inclusion in the text that emphasises the role of multistakeholder Internet governance. We expect that this text has not been changed prior to today's meeting and is part of the general approach that was just endorsed. This means that as the negotiations start, both the EU member states and the European Parliament will come to the table with a position that the DNS root servers should be removed from the scope of the NIS 2 proposal. This leaves us with some confidence that the final outcome will reflect those positions and exclude the DNS root servers. Further to the concerns of the community, the Council text also has significant changes to the scope of the DNS services in general, which I think will limit the impact of the proposal, especially on smaller operators or entities who run a DNS server only for their own purpose. The Council issued a press release: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/12/03/strengthe... I would like to thank all my colleagues and community members who have helped to convey the message that governance of the DNS root servers should be left to the multistakeholder community and the risks that the Commission's proposal brings to maintaining a single global and un-fragmented Internet. I would also like to thank all the delegates of the various member states for taking the time to listen to us and to take on board our comments and concerns, leading to the compromise that was agreed today. We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier. Regards, Marco Hogewoning Manager Public Policy and Internet Governance, RIPE NCC
Dear Marco, Excellent work by you and others. Yes, I have also done some work here, but I am behind you in the pushing. This was good news, and we can just hope this will be the ultimate outcome, as we know and see some voices in Brussels still wanting the outcome be different than what you here present. Just so people understand...Netnod being a root server operator is in Sweden already under legislation that is close to, or maybe even identical to, what NIS-2 proposal is proposing. I understand after discussing with RIPE-NCC that the situation is similar in NL. Because of this, the NIS-2 will if root servers are included not have any real impact on how RIPE-NCC or Netnod is managed. Instead, NIS-2 will with root-server inclusion only impact root server operators not being under legislation in one of the EU member states. I.e. other root server operators than RIPE-NCC or Netnod. If then special interests exists for RIPE-NCC or Netnod for the root server operation we provide, let's talk, but keep extraterritorial implications out of legislation within EU. Best, Patrik Fältström Technical Director and Head of Security Netnod On 3 Dec 2021, at 16:52, Marco Hogewoning wrote:
Dear colleagues,
We just received a message that the EU Ministers of the Transport, Telecommunications, and Energy Council, in their meeting today, have agreed to the general approach on the NIS 2 proposal. This now paves the way for the negotiations, the so called trilogue, to start early next year and develop a final compromise proposal.
While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive, together with a short inclusion in the text that emphasises the role of multistakeholder Internet governance. We expect that this text has not been changed prior to today's meeting and is part of the general approach that was just endorsed.
This means that as the negotiations start, both the EU member states and the European Parliament will come to the table with a position that the DNS root servers should be removed from the scope of the NIS 2 proposal. This leaves us with some confidence that the final outcome will reflect those positions and exclude the DNS root servers.
Further to the concerns of the community, the Council text also has significant changes to the scope of the DNS services in general, which I think will limit the impact of the proposal, especially on smaller operators or entities who run a DNS server only for their own purpose.
The Council issued a press release: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/12/03/strengthe...
I would like to thank all my colleagues and community members who have helped to convey the message that governance of the DNS root servers should be left to the multistakeholder community and the risks that the Commission's proposal brings to maintaining a single global and un-fragmented Internet.
I would also like to thank all the delegates of the various member states for taking the time to listen to us and to take on board our comments and concerns, leading to the compromise that was agreed today.
We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier.
Regards,
Marco Hogewoning Manager Public Policy and Internet Governance, RIPE NCC --
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On 3 Dec 2021, at 19:45, Patrik Fältström <patrik@frobbit.se> wrote:
I understand after discussing with RIPE-NCC that the situation is similar in NL. Because of this, the NIS-2 will if root servers are included not have any real impact on how RIPE-NCC or Netnod is managed.
Just to clarify to this point, our root-server operations are not under any regulatory supervision. The issue has been discussed when the current NIS directive came into force, when all our services were evaluated. But until now we have not been recognised as an operator of an essential service. We do of course fall under the Dutch legislation and as such, a number of other EU directives such as GDPR appl,y and those also in certain cases come with reporting obligations and also have some paragraphs on cybersecurity related measures. But as it stands, we are not formally supervised as a critical entity of some sorts. MarcoH
+1 great success, Marco! Tahar Schaa Neuland@Homeland tahar.schaa@neuland-homeland.de -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: cooperation-wg [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Im Auftrag von Marco Hogewoning Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021 16:53 An: cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg@ripe.net> Betreff: [cooperation-wg] NIS2 update: EU ministers agreed on the general approach Dear colleagues, We just received a message that the EU Ministers of the Transport, Telecommunications, and Energy Council, in their meeting today, have agreed to the general approach on the NIS 2 proposal. This now paves the way for the negotiations, the so called trilogue, to start early next year and develop a final compromise proposal. While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive, together with a short inclusion in the text that emphasises the role of multistakeholder Internet governance. We expect that this text has not been changed prior to today's meeting and is part of the general approach that was just endorsed. This means that as the negotiations start, both the EU member states and the European Parliament will come to the table with a position that the DNS root servers should be removed from the scope of the NIS 2 proposal. This leaves us with some confidence that the final outcome will reflect those positions and exclude the DNS root servers. Further to the concerns of the community, the Council text also has significant changes to the scope of the DNS services in general, which I think will limit the impact of the proposal, especially on smaller operators or entities who run a DNS server only for their own purpose. The Council issued a press release: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/12/03/strengthe ning-eu-wide-cybersecurity-and-resilience-council-agrees-its-position/ I would like to thank all my colleagues and community members who have helped to convey the message that governance of the DNS root servers should be left to the multistakeholder community and the risks that the Commission's proposal brings to maintaining a single global and un-fragmented Internet. I would also like to thank all the delegates of the various member states for taking the time to listen to us and to take on board our comments and concerns, leading to the compromise that was agreed today. We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier. Regards, Marco Hogewoning Manager Public Policy and Internet Governance, RIPE NCC -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/cooperation-wg
Thank you for the update, Marco - and thank you for the hard but successful work on this! Julf On 03-12-2021 16:52, Marco Hogewoning wrote:
Dear colleagues,
We just received a message that the EU Ministers of the Transport, Telecommunications, and Energy Council, in their meeting today, have agreed to the general approach on the NIS 2 proposal. This now paves the way for the negotiations, the so called trilogue, to start early next year and develop a final compromise proposal.
While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive, together with a short inclusion in the text that emphasises the role of multistakeholder Internet governance. We expect that this text has not been changed prior to today's meeting and is part of the general approach that was just endorsed.
This means that as the negotiations start, both the EU member states and the European Parliament will come to the table with a position that the DNS root servers should be removed from the scope of the NIS 2 proposal. This leaves us with some confidence that the final outcome will reflect those positions and exclude the DNS root servers.
Further to the concerns of the community, the Council text also has significant changes to the scope of the DNS services in general, which I think will limit the impact of the proposal, especially on smaller operators or entities who run a DNS server only for their own purpose.
The Council issued a press release: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/12/03/strengthe...
I would like to thank all my colleagues and community members who have helped to convey the message that governance of the DNS root servers should be left to the multistakeholder community and the risks that the Commission's proposal brings to maintaining a single global and un-fragmented Internet.
I would also like to thank all the delegates of the various member states for taking the time to listen to us and to take on board our comments and concerns, leading to the compromise that was agreed today.
We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier.
Regards,
Marco Hogewoning Manager Public Policy and Internet Governance, RIPE NCC
the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive, together with a short inclusion in the text that emphasises the role of multistakeholder Internet governance.
I am glad that the continuous commenting from various angles finally showed some effect. Well done! Regards, Markus
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Marco Hogewoning Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021 16:53 An: cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg@ripe.net> Betreff: [cooperation-wg] NIS2 update: EU ministers agreed on the general approach
Dear colleagues,
We just received a message that the EU Ministers of the Transport, Telecommunications, and Energy Council, in their meeting today, have agreed to the general approach on the NIS 2 proposal. This now paves the way for the negotiations, the so called trilogue, to start early next year and develop a final compromise proposal.
While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive, together with a short inclusion in the text that emphasises the role of multistakeholder Internet governance. We expect that this text has not been changed prior to today's meeting and is part of the general approach that was just endorsed.
This means that as the negotiations start, both the EU member states and the European Parliament will come to the table with a position that the DNS root servers should be removed from the scope of the NIS 2 proposal. This leaves us with some confidence that the final outcome will reflect those positions and exclude the DNS root servers.
Further to the concerns of the community, the Council text also has significant changes to the scope of the DNS services in general, which I think will limit the impact of the proposal, especially on smaller operators or entities who run a DNS server only for their own purpose.
The Council issued a press release: https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press- releases/2021/12/03/strengthening-eu-wide-cybersecurity-and-resilience- council-agrees-its-position/
I would like to thank all my colleagues and community members who have helped to convey the message that governance of the DNS root servers should be left to the multistakeholder community and the risks that the Commission's proposal brings to maintaining a single global and un-fragmented Internet.
I would also like to thank all the delegates of the various member states for taking the time to listen to us and to take on board our comments and concerns, leading to the compromise that was agreed today.
We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier.
Regards,
Marco Hogewoning Manager Public Policy and Internet Governance, RIPE NCC --
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On 3 Dec 2021, at 16:52, Marco Hogewoning <marcoh@ripe.net> wrote:
We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier.
Dear colleagues, Would like to draw your attention to the text, as it was adopted as the general approach by EU Council. The full text of the Council compromise can be retrieved from the EU website via: https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-14337-2021-INIT/en/pdf <https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-14337-2021-INIT/en/pdf> Regards, MarcoH
On 10/12/2021 13:43, Marco Hogewoning wrote: Marco and others, I know this is old stuff but I have heard conflicting views on this so I'd like to clear it up. You had stated "While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive," Have root servers been removed from NIS2? Thanks, Hank
On 3 Dec 2021, at 16:52, Marco Hogewoning <marcoh@ripe.net> wrote:
We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier.
Dear colleagues,
Would like to draw your attention to the text, as it was adopted as the general approach by EU Council.
The full text of the Council compromise can be retrieved from the EU website via:
https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-14337-2021-INIT/en/pdf
Regards,
MarcoH
Dear Hank, I’m replying on behalf of Marco, as he left the RIPE NCC in April to take up a position with the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs and Climate Policy. The final text of the NIS 2 agreement has still not been made public, but we have seen the agreed text for the article, recital and annex pertaining to DNS and other service providers covered by the directive, and can confirm that root name servers have very explicitly been excluded from the directive’s scope. This final text is the product of negotiations between the Council and Parliament, but it still needs to be formally approved by each body. We expect it will be submitted to the Council’s COREPER committee soon for final approval, while Parliament’s ITRE Committee is expected to approve it in July, with a plenary vote in Parliament in September. There’s no indication that the agreed upon text will change before final approval has taking place, but of course, it’s not 100% guaranteed until then. Once all the formal approvals have taken place, member states will have 21 months to implement the directive into national law, so it will not come into effect until mid-2024. Please let us know if you have any other questions. Best regards, Suzanne _______________ Suzanne Taylor Public Policy & Internet Governance RIPE NCC www.ripe.net <http://www.ripe.net/>
On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:11, Hank Nussbacher via cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
On 10/12/2021 13:43, Marco Hogewoning wrote:
Marco and others,
I know this is old stuff but I have heard conflicting views on this so I'd like to clear it up.
You had stated "While the official text has not been published yet, we have seen a copy of the working document that shows that the Council position has also removed the DNS root servers from the scope of the directive,"
Have root servers been removed from NIS2?
Thanks, Hank
On 3 Dec 2021, at 16:52, Marco Hogewoning <marcoh@ripe.net> wrote:
We will keep you informed about further progress on this dossier.
Dear colleagues,
Would like to draw your attention to the text, as it was adopted as the general approach by EU Council.
The full text of the Council compromise can be retrieved from the EU website via:
https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-14337-2021-INIT/en/pdf
Regards,
MarcoH
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