My attention was drawn to this new policy from Brussels: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/29/eu_dumps_300000_ukowned_domains_int... Of interest to people involved with domain names, people who have names registered under EU or who are still thinking about it and who are resident in the UK or thinking about moving there? Nationality does not count: residence does. Gordon
Gordon Lennox wrote:
My attention was drawn to this new policy from Brussels:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/29/eu_dumps_300000_ukowned_domains_int...
Of interest to people involved with domain names, people who have names registered under EU or who are still thinking about it and who are resident in the UK or thinking about moving there? Nationality does not count: residence does.
Fortunately, the decision was reversed: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/27/dot_eu_domains_brexit_uk/ Nick
Thanks for this. Say something and get more information. Cool! What is interesting though is that they got as far as proposing this. What next? Gordon
On 29 Apr 2018, at 19:04, Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie> wrote:
Gordon Lennox wrote:
My attention was drawn to this new policy from Brussels: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/29/eu_dumps_300000_ukowned_domains_int...
Of interest to people involved with domain names, people who have names registered under EU or who are still thinking about it and who are resident in the UK or thinking about moving there? Nationality does not count: residence does.
Fortunately, the decision was reversed:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/27/dot_eu_domains_brexit_uk/
Nick
Gordon / Nick The Commission has not backtracked - the Register article is incorrect See the official sources below: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEX-18-3583_en.htm The draft Regulation is available at: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/com-2018-231_en The new proposals are completely unrelated to Brexit and stem from an ongoing review of .eu that the Commission kicked off over a year ago. Under the new proposed regime the registration criteria would be expanded beyond residents of the EU to encompass EU citizens regardless of location. No details have been provided on how they foresee that working and based on my experience as a registrar I have serious concerns about how that will work in reality While the new policy will help EU citizens who are resident in the UK (and elsewhere) it's not going to undo the EC's bizarre approach to dealing with the 300k+ .eu registrants in the UK, which also includes Northern Ireland. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
Yes, you are correct. I had meant to come back to this. I will limit myself primarily though to private individuals! The old story was that it was all about residency. So anyone of any nationality who was resident in the EU could register a domain name. The initial Brexit note then basically says that people in the UK will no longer fulfil the residency provisions and so they will lose their rights to EU domain names. This would have had a perverse and adverse affect on all the EU nationals resident in the UK who happened to have chosen an EU domain name. That includes all the Irish. However rules are rules and rules can be changed. In parallel new rules were proposed that bring citizenship into the mix. So EU citizens anywhere can now register a domain name. So the German in Australia and the Australian in Germany, the Italian in the UK and the Brit in Italy, and all the rest are all OK. Given the overall direction of the changes though the losers will be UK citizens, and of course non-EU citizens, who are resident in the UK. Except for those who realise they are also Irish? I guess a few in Northern Ireland might take that view for obvious and pragmatic reasons. However we are in negotiations and so maybe if enough informed people actually said something the rules could be changed even more. Personally I have no problems with UK citizens not being able to register EU domain names after Brexit. Brexit means Brexit? I do have a problem with UK citizens who will be resident in the UK losing their EU domain name and any associated investment they have made. I don’t know how many non-EU citizens may be involved. However I still have various questions. I am not clear how well all the 700+ registrars worldwide have been enforcing the current residency requirements after initial registration. I presume some people on this list have a feel for that. The Commission text says that EurID will be “entitled" to revoke names. Does that mean it is up to EurID? I don’t know what the current UK-based registrant mix looks like. Proportion of organisations registered in the UK? Proportion of UK citizens? Proportion of non-EU citizens? Proportion of residual EU citizens? I am not sure if even EurID knows this. And maybe with the GDPR it may not be the time for them to ask for more personal data. And what happens to all the forfeited domain names? For some people this story is just starting. I share your concerns. But if anyone sees a bit i got wrong in the above I would be very happy to be corrected! I feel a Venn diagram might have been helpful. Gordon
On 1 May 2018, at 17:22, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> wrote:
Gordon / Nick
The Commission has not backtracked - the Register article is incorrect
See the official sources below:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEX-18-3583_en.htm
The draft Regulation is available at:
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/com-2018-231_en
The new proposals are completely unrelated to Brexit and stem from an ongoing review of .eu that the Commission kicked off over a year ago.
Under the new proposed regime the registration criteria would be expanded beyond residents of the EU to encompass EU citizens regardless of location. No details have been provided on how they foresee that working and based on my experience as a registrar I have serious concerns about how that will work in reality While the new policy will help EU citizens who are resident in the UK (and elsewhere) it's not going to undo the EC's bizarre approach to dealing with the 300k+ .eu registrants in the UK, which also includes Northern Ireland.
Regards
Michele
-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845
On 1 May 2018, at 19:33, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com> wrote:
However rules are rules and rules can be changed.
The Commission would like to hear your views. Once the Commission has decided on a legislative proposal and put it forward for adoption by the EU Parliament and Council, you can respond to the proposal and accompanying impact assessment. The feedback period will close 8 weeks after the proposal is made available in all EU languages. Feedback period27 April 2018 - 26 June 2018 https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/initiatives/com-2018-231_en
On 29 Apr 2018, at 17:47, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com> wrote:
My attention was drawn to this new policy from Brussels:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/29/eu_dumps_300000_ukowned_domains_int...
Of interest to people involved with domain names, people who have names registered under EU or who are still thinking about it and who are resident in the UK or thinking about moving there? Nationality does not count: residence does.
First off Gordon, it’s The Register - not exactly a reliable source of information. Second, there’s a more recent article on the same site saying what was proposed in the above article has been withdrawn: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/27/dot_eu_domains_brexit_uk/ That later article is headlined: "Euro idiocrats backtrack on plan to kill off Brits' 300,000 .eu domains” In short, nothing to see here - move along. Now there might be a higher-level issue about eligibility criteria for .eu domain names and oversight of the .eu registry’s policy-making. Which might not matter to people living on a big island in the North Sea because it’ll be outside the EU in a year or so. Allegedly.
TheRegister does tend to give pointers to sources - unlike many other publications. If you click-thru then you get what the Commission said and what Eurid said. As it should be. Gordon
On 29 Apr 2018, at 19:15, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
First off Gordon, it’s The Register - not exactly a reliable source of information.
See below: On 29/04/2018 19:15, Jim Reid wrote:
On 29 Apr 2018, at 17:47, Gordon Lennox <gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com> wrote:
My attention was drawn to this new policy from Brussels:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/29/eu_dumps_300000_ukowned_domains_int...
Of interest to people involved with domain names, people who have names registered under EU or who are still thinking about it and who are resident in the UK or thinking about moving there? Nationality does not count: residence does. First off Gordon, it’s The Register - not exactly a reliable source of information.
Second, there’s a more recent article on the same site saying what was proposed in the above article has been withdrawn: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/27/dot_eu_domains_brexit_uk/
That later article is headlined: "Euro idiocrats backtrack on plan to kill off Brits' 300,000 .eu domains”
In short, nothing to see here - move along.
In his haste to get a punchy headline, Kieren got it wrong. Rather than reading his sensationalist article, have a look at the European Commission supplied info-graphic which says: "EU/EEA citizens living outside the Union will be able to register their domain names regardless of their place of residence." https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/infographic-eu-top-level-... Thus with a Brexit that's completely out of EU & EEA, Brits are still likely to lose their .EU registration, unless they register a subsidiary of their company in an EU/EEA country, which doesn't cost much per year and thus allows for .EU to be registered to that address.
Now there might be a higher-level issue about eligibility criteria for .eu domain names and oversight of the .eu registry’s policy-making. Which might not matter to people living on a big island in the North Sea because it’ll be outside the EU in a year or so. Allegedly.
The same info-graphic says: "A .eu Multistakeholder Council will be established to improve and streamline the governance and functioning of the .eu top level domain informing and advising the European Commission." Kindest regards, Olivier -- Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD http://www.gih.com/ocl.html
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