This comment didn't reach the Q+A quickly enough before the RIPE87 WG session closed. I expect that, in order to address some aspects of the comprehension problem which Ignacio describes, we shall be looking to people in roles like Romain's and Innocenzo's to act as diplomatic intermediators between those who need to understand and those who can explain. Niall
Sorry but I wasn’t at the meeting – what are you referring to? -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 I have sent this email at a time that is convenient for me. I do not expect you to respond to it outside of your usual working hours. From: cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Niall O'Reilly <niall.oreilly@ucd.ie> Date: Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 14:27 To: RIPE Cooperation Working Group <cooperation-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [cooperation-wg] Bridging the Gap [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from unrecognised sources. This comment didn't reach the Q+A quickly enough before the RIPE87 WG session closed. I expect that, in order to address some aspects of the comprehension problem which Ignacio describes, we shall be looking to people in roles like Romain's and Innocenzo's to act as diplomatic intermediators between those who need to understand and those who can explain. Niall -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/cooperation-wg
Someone who wasn't at the session asked me what I was referring to. I can see that, without the context, it be baffling. I hope this clarifies what I meant. I am very grateful to that someone (you know who you are!) for asking me to explain. On 30 Nov 2023, at 14:26, Niall O'Reilly wrote:
I expect that, in order to address some aspects of the comprehension problem which Ignacio describes, we shall be looking to people in roles like Romain's and Innocenzo's to act as diplomatic intermediators between those who need to understand and those who can explain.
Ignacio Castro spoke in the Co-operation WG session about bridging the gap between Internet stakeholders, and explained that our processes, in RIPE and in the IETF, may well be open, but are, however, not very accessible to the un-initiated. The main thing which I took away from Ignacio's presentation was the imperative to create connections between key individuals on either side of the "comprehension gap" (my phrase), so as to facilitate reciprocal awareness between different stakeholder communities, such as between the technical community and government. In the same session, Romain Bosc, who is the RIPE NCC's new "Brussels agent", and Innocenzo Genna, who is EU Advisor for Namex, spoke about EU regulatory developments, respectively in general and with specific focus on the Digital Network Act. What I wanted to say in my earlier message was, that Romain and Innocenzo seem particularly well placed to set up contacts between people on either side of the "comprehension gap", so promoting constructive dialogue, and that we should encourage them to do so. I hope this helps. Niall PS. Material from the session is available via this URL: https://ripe87.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/ /N
A question or two for the wise folk here. To what extent can the tech community rely on policy wonks in EU and national ministries to work within our I* ways (ietf/rir/icann/isoc)? I and many have tried to join these dots for a couple of decades plus partly as there's never been resource to support always on diplomacy by the tech communities I've been participant in - and ... not convinced this has worked. To what extent is the tech community orgs representing their special perspectives meaningfully within the policy wonkery institutions and getting traction especially distinguishing those perspectives from the significant lobbying of industry players? In other words if they won't can't come to us on our turf. How are we doing to represent ourselves powerfully (coordinated and with clear messaging) within their pitches? Out of the so referred I* how is this working now? (Noting lots of weird regs coming down the pipe on ID, Access networks, Safety, attacks on encryption and so on and so forth. C "Niall O'Reilly" <niall.oreilly@ucd.ie> writes:
Someone who wasn't at the session asked me what I was referring to. I can see that, without the context, it be baffling.
I hope this clarifies what I meant.
I am very grateful to that someone (you know who you are!) for asking me to explain.
On 30 Nov 2023, at 14:26, Niall O'Reilly wrote:
I expect that, in order to address some aspects of the comprehension problem which Ignacio describes, we shall be looking to people in roles like Romain's and Innocenzo's to act as diplomatic intermediators between those who need to understand and those who can explain.
Ignacio Castro spoke in the Co-operation WG session about bridging the gap between Internet stakeholders, and explained that our processes, in RIPE and in the IETF, may well be open, but are, however, not very accessible to the un-initiated.
The main thing which I took away from Ignacio's presentation was the imperative to create connections between key individuals on either side of the "comprehension gap" (my phrase), so as to facilitate reciprocal awareness between different stakeholder communities, such as between the technical community and government.
In the same session, Romain Bosc, who is the RIPE NCC's new "Brussels agent", and Innocenzo Genna, who is EU Advisor for Namex, spoke about EU regulatory developments, respectively in general and with specific focus on the Digital Network Act.
What I wanted to say in my earlier message was, that Romain and Innocenzo seem particularly well placed to set up contacts between people on either side of the "comprehension gap", so promoting constructive dialogue, and that we should encourage them to do so.
I hope this helps.
Niall
PS. Material from the session is available via this URL: https://ripe87.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/ /N
-- Christian de Larrinaga
Apologies I missed the previous email. On my talk I reflected on the gap that exists between more technical (eg, RIPE, IETF) and less-technical communities/stakeholders (eg, policy makers, civil society). How technical communities strive for openness and transparency (eg, public mail-lists, open standards) and how that does result in accessible information for less-technical stakeholders. I discussed how analytics can leverage openness to help understand dynamics that occur in technical forums. I exemplified this by analysing 20 years of IETF data and showing some of its inner dynamics and trends. This is just one of the pieces of the puzzle and I totally agree that bridging across the gap requires people that can act as "translators/interpreters" across communities. I think that the bird-eye view that these analytics can provide can help them in doing so. Best, Ignacio does not imply accessible. I have perceived that less-technical communities/stakeholders struggle to understand and relate to the technical ones. -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg <cooperation-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Niall O'Reilly Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2023 11:47 AM To: RIPE Cooperation Working Group <cooperation-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Bridging the Gap Someone who wasn't at the session asked me what I was referring to. I can see that, without the context, it be baffling. I hope this clarifies what I meant. I am very grateful to that someone (you know who you are!) for asking me to explain. On 30 Nov 2023, at 14:26, Niall O'Reilly wrote:
I expect that, in order to address some aspects of the comprehension problem which Ignacio describes, we shall be looking to people in roles like Romain's and Innocenzo's to act as diplomatic intermediators between those who need to understand and those who can explain.
Ignacio Castro spoke in the Co-operation WG session about bridging the gap between Internet stakeholders, and explained that our processes, in RIPE and in the IETF, may well be open, but are, however, not very accessible to the un-initiated. The main thing which I took away from Ignacio's presentation was the imperative to create connections between key individuals on either side of the "comprehension gap" (my phrase), so as to facilitate reciprocal awareness between different stakeholder communities, such as between the technical community and government. In the same session, Romain Bosc, who is the RIPE NCC's new "Brussels agent", and Innocenzo Genna, who is EU Advisor for Namex, spoke about EU regulatory developments, respectively in general and with specific focus on the Digital Network Act. What I wanted to say in my earlier message was, that Romain and Innocenzo seem particularly well placed to set up contacts between people on either side of the "comprehension gap", so promoting constructive dialogue, and that we should encourage them to do so. I hope this helps. Niall PS. Material from the session is available via this URL: https://ripe87.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/coop-wg/ /N -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/cooperation-wg
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Christian de Larrinaga -
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Michele Neylon - Blacknight -
Niall O'Reilly