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Puzzled by RIPE-NCC-LOCKED-MNT
by Ronald F. Guilmette 22 Nov '16

22 Nov '16

I am having a bit of trouble decyphering the explanation/description of RIPE-NCC-LOCKED-MNT given on the following page, and I hope someone will help me to understand. https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/deprecation-of-the-non… It appears from the above, that there was a transition/reorganization that took place back around 2004, and that RIPE-NCC-LOCKED-MNT was set as the maintainer on various objects that were present in the data base at that time (specifically objects which were not already adequately password protected) in order to protect some such objects from unauthorized modification. Is that description approximately accurate, I mean to a first approximation? (I understand that I'm probably glossing over a number of the fine points here, but I am doing so just because I doubt that any of those are even pertinent to my real question.) So anyway, my real question is this: If in fact RIPE-NCC-LOCKED-MNT was just something which was used as a sort-of "passing phase" stop-gap mechanism, i.e. as just a convenient expedient for securing things that would otherwise poorly secured, and if it was only applied in this way back in 2004, and for perhaps a year or two afterwards, then what would be the explanation for a *recently created* data base object (e.g. a route object) that has a created: date of, say, 2014, 2015, or 2016 and also a mnt-by value of RIPE-NCC-LOCKED-MNT? Regards, rfg

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Creating a mntner
by Ronald F. Guilmette 21 Nov '16

21 Nov '16

Sorry. I know this is probably an faq and a dumb question, but can some kind soul tell me the exact procedure for creating a new RIPE mntner object? Does one already have to be a dues-paying member of RIPE NCC in order to do that? Where is the form that needs to be filled out and what if any supporting documentation must be provided? Birth certificate? Company incorporation documents?

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More-specific abuse-c
by Sebastian Wiesinger 16 Nov '16

16 Nov '16

I'm currently struggling with abuse-c management for a big organisation which wants multiple abuse contacts for different parts of the organisation. The org is using a lot of PI resources, some of them legacy. Currently they all use the same org object which is inextricably linked to the same abuse-c mailbox. They have a new field of business which is mostly decoupled from the rest (own AS, own routers, PI space, etc.) but still uses the same org object. As cumbersome as having to create a new org object would be, I would've gone this road but as all of them are PI I can't change the org object! It is managed by the RIPE NCC. So the only solution right now would be to ask the RIPE NCC to change the org for all objects to a new one just to change the abuse-c for the resources. I would not be surprised if this turns out to be more complicated because of the end-user contract stuff but I'll need input from the NCC how they handle such cases. Also having multiple org objects that have the same data (company name, address, phone,...) just to have a different abuse-c is something that irks me to no end. Now I have to update X orgs when the phone number or address changes. Also: redundant data in the database! I tried to follow past discussions regarding this but it seems they all kind of fizzed out without any conclusion? I would propose to fix this and add an abuse-c to resource objects that would be "more specific" than the org abuse-c and overrides it. If there are other ideas please don't hesitate to state them but to me it seems like a low-cost solution to this mess. Best Regards Sebastian -- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE. -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant

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WG Chairs Selection
by Piotr Strzyzewski 16 Nov '16

16 Nov '16

Dear DB-WG Members As agreed during DB-WG session at RIPE69 Meeting in London on 06.11.2014, the WG Chair Selection procedure is executed at yearly intervals. This means that it is about time to run it for the very first time. This is the call for interested parties. Interested parties have 2 weeks to make their interest known on this mailing list. All members of the community are encourage to make a discussion and express their approval or otherwise of the presented candidates. After two weeks the chairs will declare consensus. Since there is a limit of 3 co-chairs, if at the end of the discussion phase there will be more than 3 proposed co-chairs then a call will be made for any of the candidates to withdraw. If there still will be more than 3 candidates then names will be put into a hat and the first three names drawn from the hat will take on the role of chairs for the next 12 months. All three of present co-chairs expressed their interest in being co-chairs for another term. All the best, Job, Nigel & Piotr -- gucio -> Piotr Strzyżewski E-mail: Piotr.Strzyzewski(a)polsl.pl

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Fwd: WG Chairs Selection
by Horváth Ágoston János 05 Nov '16

05 Nov '16

While operational experience is indeed important, the role of a chair is different from a role of a president. I find that a chair will need to invest time, a lot of time, into bringing some much-needed life to the db-wg. The database has not had any notable changes since its original redesign in 1999. All what there was was mostly patchwork than real innovation. As far as I see, this was mainly caused by the lack of general interest. Newbies struggled through the years, but once they learned how to do what they wanted, they were OK with not changing anything on it. This did preserve the status quo. I find the fact that RIPE NCC has a whole-day training course over the use of RIPE DB a sign in itself that it is not for this age. I think no matter who goes as a chair, they have to start breathing life into the WG activities; come up and support real, actual redesign with today's usage patterns, mindset and expectations in mind. That will require precious time that a professional would not have or want to invest. For this reason, I'd like to cast my vote on Denis, knowing that the other chairs would have a more professional background. He does have a lot of good ideas and does have the time and energy to see them through. Cheers, Agoston On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Job Snijders <job(a)instituut.net> wrote: > On Friday, 4 November 2016, Randy Bush <randy(a)psg.com> wrote: >> >> > What role does the database play in your professional work? >> >> is this repeated question trying to elicit conflict of interest? >> >> and could the current co-chairs also answer it? :) > > > Leadership whom clearly have a stake in the well-being of the database would > have my preference. > > Example: people that work for orgs that depend on the database for their > routing security posture have one up on people who don't even work for a LIR > and as such don't face daily operational reality. > > Last meeting Nigel stated that he wants to step down because he doesn't do > actually work with the database any longer. With new chairs I'd like to > prevent such alienation from the get-go. > > Kind regards, > > Job

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numbered work item suggestion: support PGP authentication with whois-api
by Thomas von Dein 03 Nov '16

03 Nov '16

Hello WG, I'd like to propose an enhancement of the whois REST api to support PGP authenticated POST requests for create,update,delete methods. Currently the API doesn't support this, so you have to use the REST interface to download objects and the MAIL interface to modify them if you don't want to use password authentication. A consistent user interface however, would be more reliable, easier to understand and maintain. Thanks in advance, Thomas von Dein -- Thomas von Dein <admins(a)f-i-ts.net> Finanz Informatik Technologie Service GmbH & Co. KG, OE 76052 Tel:089/94511-8833, Fax:089/94511-8941, http://www.f-i-ts.net

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Progress on Number Work Items
by Tim Bruijnzeels 01 Nov '16

01 Nov '16

Dear working group, As usual at the beginning of every month, here is an overview of all open Numbered Work Items. Compared to last month we have seen 6 new messages on NWI-3 - in the RIPE 73 agenda thread. NWI-1 Staying on top of abuse contact changes State: Problem Definition 3 messages 3 participants last message: 27 June 16 NWI-2 Displaying history for database objects where available State: Problem Definition 10 messages 5 participants last message: 12 July 16 NWI-3 AFRINIC IRR homing State: Solution Definition 36 messages 11 participants last message: 27 October 16 NWI-4 Role of status: field in multivalued status context State: Problem Definition 4 messages 3 participants last message: 27 June 16 NWI-5 Out of region ROUTE(6) / AUT-NUM objects State: Problem Definition 3 messages 3 participants last message: 28 July 16 NWI-6 Applicable data model not clear from contextless objects State: Problem Definition 3 messages 3 participants last message: 28 June 16 The progress on numbered work items (NWIs) is also available on the web site: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/numbered-work-items Regards, Tim Bruijnzeels Assistant Manager Software Engineering RIPE NCC Database Group

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Release 1.88 deployed to RC
by Tim Bruijnzeels 31 Oct '16

31 Oct '16

Dear working group, We have released whois version 1.88 to the Release Candidate (RC) environment. We plan to deploy this version to production on Monday 10 October. This release contains a number of small improvements: - Users can now delete syntactically incorrect objects (before you would have to update the object before it could be deleted) - Users are now allowed to change the status if a resource object if it is NOT-SET This release also includes some minor fixes for infrequent bugs, and provides an API that can be used in a future release of the Webupdate User Interface that will allow users to set up rDNS for a prefix and create domain objects in bulk. We are currently working on the latter but expect to have this ready just after the RIPE Meeting. Kind regards Tim Bruijnzeels Assistant Manager Software Engineering RIPE NCC Database Group

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Route object authentication for multiple inet(6)num
by fransossen＠yahoo.com 28 Oct '16

28 Oct '16

Hi, Following up on the AP policy WG discussion: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/2016-October/0119… If/when implemented it would eventually break up large contiguous inetnums with status ALLOCATED PI/UNSPECIFIED into smaller prefixes. As a consequence, route aggregation will be lost since when the parent inetnum is removed from the RIPE DB, the equivalent route will be removed as well. The current RIPE DB process and rules are not allowing for a /23 route to be created out of two /24s bit boundary contiguous prefixes registered as separate /24s without a common parent range. This is something that could be remedied by allowing a parent route to be created, the system could be rather easily implemented using the current DB rules layout. Existing inetnum objects in DB: inetnum: x.x.x.0/24 mnt-routes: ASXXXX-mnt mnt-by: prefix-holderA-mnt inetnum: x.x.y.0/24 mnt-routes: ASXXXX-mnt mnt-by: prefix-holderB-mnt Submission to the DB update: route: x.x.x.0/23 origin: AS-mnt mnt-by: ASXXXX-mnt authentication credentials for ASXXXX-mnt The DB would currently only look for an exact match and if none found, it will look for a less specific inetnum to authenticate the route creation. So today such an update would get rejected as you would not be able to authenticate whatever is above the /23. If it is changed to look for an exact match, then for more specifics with a matching summary to the route object prefix and then for a less specific, the creation of parent route would be allowed as part of the second step in the checks in the creation logic mechanism. It would not change the current authentication system logic, all will continue to work as it is today. Things to consider: A) Recall mechanism. To allow a prefix holders to recall a route object from a less specific route objects just like they today can with exact match and more specifics. Notifications could then be sent to the involved parties about the route recall having taken place. B) RIPE-NCC-RPSL-MNT! If the above mechanism was to be introduced, that maintainer could then create less specific route for any range, restrictions would need to be implemented in order to prevent mistakes or abuse of RIPE-NCC-RPSL-MNT. C) Adding this to the IRR wizard Alex Band described at the DB WG session. Simple interface and overview of what could be aggregated. D) Could any of this have any negative effect in the RIPE Database? E) Should this also be passed through the routing WG? Cheers, David Hilario

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passwords
by ripedenis＠yahoo.co.uk 27 Oct '16

27 Oct '16

Hi Tim You just said that you can still use passwords with webupdates. I am looking at webupdates right now and I can't see any way to create or update an object using a password. You cannot get past the stage where it says "Login to create" or "Login to update". So where can I enter a password? cheersdenis

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BGP Policy Update Questionnaire (only 3 questions) for research purposes (SNE/OS3 MSc. thesis University of Amsterdam)
by Stavros Konstantaras 27 Oct '16

27 Oct '16

Dear members, First of all, I would like to apologize if you received this message more than once. I am sending this e-mail on behalf of my colleague, Stamatios Maritsas, who is a master student of System and Network Engineering MSc. (SNE/OS3) program at University of Amsterdam and currently conducting his master's thesis project titled: "A decentralized system for automatic exchange of policies for BGP configurations”. The purpose of the questionnaire (only 3 questions :)), that you will find in the following link, is to help him gather important information based on your implemented BGP routing policy, which will help design an exchange policy system in the most efficient way. I want also to inform you that all the data that will be gathered and used will be only for research purposes and fully anonymized. Link of questionnaire: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd7TzoYvFGcXAOUWaZa30v-zHeRH8jfm__… <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd7TzoYvFGcXAOUWaZa30v-zHeRH8jfm__…> Thank you in advance for your time, and I hope that you can help him/us! Kind Regards, Stavros Konstantaras ---- Stavros Konstantaras Internet Research Engineer, NLnet Labs Science Park 400, 1098 XH, Amsterdam Fingerprint: 4502 7D16 2DF8 ADB0 4AA6 21A9 BF9E EFFF 2744 FE5D

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RIPE 73 DB-WG agenda V1
by Piotr Strzyzewski 27 Oct '16

27 Oct '16

Dear DB-WG Members This is the 1st draft of the agenda for the DB-WG Meeting at RIPE73 at the Meliá Castilla hotel in Madrid, Spain. The DB-WG Meeting is scheduled as usual for Thursday, Oct 27th, starting at 15:00 local time, after the lunch break. The length of our timeslot is 90 minutes. ATTENTION: This time the meeting start and end times have been adjusted by one hour to complement the local Spanish working hours and customs. For the overall RIPE 73 meeting plan please refer to its most up-to-date version at https://ripe73.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Please feel free to comment agenda items or propose additional topics to be discussed both on the mailing list or direct to the WG Chairs at db-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net Looking forward to see you all in Madrid. All the best, Job, Nigel & Piotr ________________________________________________________________________ A. Administrative Matters [~10 min] . Welcome . select scribe (thanks to Nigel for volunteering again!) . finalise agenda . approval of minutes from previous WG meeting(s) B. Review of Numbered Work Items (Job Snijders) [~10 min] C. NWI model - where are we? (Job Snijders) [~10 min] D. DB Operational Update New and revised DB-Software functionality (proposed, test, deployment) Recent DB issues (Tim Bruijnzeels, RIPE NCC) [~15 min] E. Afrinic IRR homing project update (Piotr Strzyżewski) [~10 min] F. Recent work on the UI improvements (Alex Band, RIPE NCC) [~20 min] G. DB-WG - What next? (discussion) [~15 min] Y. Input from other Working Groups and/or Task Forces Z. AOB -- gucio -> Piotr Strzyżewski E-mail: Piotr.Strzyzewski(a)polsl.pl

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Afrinic IRR homing project
by denis 26 Oct '16

26 Oct '16

Hi Piotr I commented some time ago about the possibility of a ROUTE object existing in both the RIPE Database and the Afrinic Database with different content. Did anyone do the simple check to see if any such objects exist? If they do, has anyone thought about who's responsibility it is to decide how to handle them? Has anyone considered what to do with AUT-NUM objects that reference the Afrinic ROUTE objects after they are deleted? At the Warsaw RIPE Meeting I dared to ask the question to the community about the RIPE NCC 'fixing' AUT-NUM objects (apparently a very controversial question). cheers denis

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RIPE 73 DB-WG agenda V2
by Piotr Strzyzewski 26 Oct '16

26 Oct '16

Dear DB-WG Members This is the 2nd draft of the agenda for the DB-WG Meeting at RIPE73 at the Meliá Castilla hotel in Madrid, Spain. The DB-WG Meeting is scheduled as usual for Thursday, Oct 27th, starting at 15:00 local time, after the lunch break. The length of our timeslot is 90 minutes. ATTENTION: This time the meeting start and end times have been adjusted by one hour to complement the local Spanish working hours and customs. For the overall RIPE 73 meeting plan please refer to its most up-to-date version at https://ripe73.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/ Please feel free to comment agenda items or propose additional topics to be discussed both on the mailing list or direct to the WG Chairs at db-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net Looking forward to see you all in Madrid. All the best, Job, Nigel & Piotr ________________________________________________________________________ A. Administrative Matters [~10 min] . Welcome . select scribe (thanks to Nigel for volunteering again!) . finalise agenda . approval of minutes from previous WG meeting(s) B. WG Chairs Selection & discussion on DB-WG [~15 min] C. Review of Numbered Work Items NWI model - where are we? (Job Snijders) [~15 min] D. DB Operational Update (Tim Bruijnzeels, RIPE NCC) [~15 min] E. Afrinic IRR homing project update (Piotr Strzyżewski) [~10 min] F. Recent work on the UI improvements (Alex Band, RIPE NCC) [~20 min] Y. Input from other Working Groups and/or Task Forces Z. AOB -- gucio -> Piotr Strzyżewski E-mail: Piotr.Strzyzewski(a)polsl.pl

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out of region ROUTE objects
by denis 25 Oct '16

25 Oct '16

HI guys I know this is a NWI, but with only a 10 minute slot in the agenda to review all the NWIs I doubt much will be discussed. I have a question. This issue has generated an almost identical discussion at the last 4 RIPE Meetings, with the same options on the table and the same indecision at the end of the discussion. In between RIPE Meetings it doesn't seem to be a problem (maybe it isn't a problem at all). I see it is not on either agendas at this meeting for DB or Routing WGs. If it is still a (real) problem, can someone actually make a decision on one of the options to fix it and do something? cheers denis

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Re: [db-wg] Query all route objects for a given AS?
by Ronald F. Guilmette 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

In message <2099338805.63709.1475822808834(a)mail.yahoo.com>, denis walker <dw100uk(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >If you type it on the command line you need: >whois -rBGi or AS3333 >which basically says do an inverse query (-i or) on objects containing:origin: AS3333 >give the full object details (-B), without any grouping (-G) and don't return related personal data (-r) >If you use the query.html you must also check 'origin' under the 'Inverse lookup' tab. Thank you. I guess that I must have a very old whois client, because it objected to most of the command line options you listed. But I was able to apply what you said and get the information I wanted from RIPE's web-based WHOIS query page, so that's great. Thanks a lot! Regards, rfg

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Query all route objects for a given AS?
by Ronald F. Guilmette 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Greetings, Sorry if this is an FAQ, but I'd like to know if there is a way to formulate a WHOIS query against whois.ripe.net in a way so as to obtain a complete list of the registered route objects that are associated with a given particular AS. If there's a way to do this, and if someone can instruct me on how it is done, I sure would appreciate that. Thanks.

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Re: [db-wg] Query all route objects for a given AS?
by ripedenis＠yahoo.co.uk 07 Oct '16

07 Oct '16

Hi Ronald If you type it on the command line you need: whois -rBGi or AS3333 which basically says do an inverse query (-i or) on objects containing:origin: AS3333 give the full object details (-B), without any grouping (-G) and don't return related personal data (-r) If you use the query.html you must also check 'origin' under the 'Inverse lookup' tab. I also suggest you check the 'Do not retrieve related objects' box other wise you may return lots of personal data objects and get blocked very quickly. cheersdenis From: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> To: "db-wg(a)ripe.net" <db-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: Friday, 7 October 2016, 5:02 Subject: Re: [db-wg] Query all route objects for a given AS? In message <1870001011.3703.1475803719463(a)mail.yahoo.com>, <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >-rBGi or as3333 I'm sorry, but your reply is not at all clear to me. Could you perhaps show me a complete example command line? Regards, rfg P.S. I also just now visited the following page: https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html Under "Types" I checked only "route". Then in the search box I entered only the AS number of interest to me. Then I clicked on the "search" button. The result was that I only got the following error: ERROR:115: invalid search key Search key entered is not valid for the specified object type(s) Is it actually not possible to obtain from the RIPE WHOIS data base a list of all route objects currently associated with a particular AS number?

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Progress on Numbered Work Items September 2016
by Tim Bruijnzeels 29 Sep '16

29 Sep '16

Dear working group, Although there is technically one more day in September I have to send this update now for planning reasons. Last month there were no updates to any of the Numbered Work Items. The list of items and their status is therefore unchanged since the last update. Repeating here for your convenience: NWI-1 Staying on top of abuse contact changes State: Problem Definition 3 messages 3 participants last message: 27 June 16 NWI-2 Displaying history for database objects where available State: Problem Definition 10 messages 5 participants last message: 12 July 16 NWI-3 AFRINIC IRR homing State: Solution Definition 18 messages 8 participants last message: 1 August 16 NWI-4 Role of status: field in multivalued status context State: Problem Definition 4 messages 3 participants last message: 27 June 16 NWI-5 Out of region ROUTE(6) / AUT-NUM objects State: Problem Definition 3 messages 3 participants last message: 28 July 16 NWI-6 Applicable data model not clear from contextless objects State: Problem Definition 3 messages 3 participants last message: 28 June 16 The progress on numbered work items (NWIs) is also available on the web site: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/numbered-work-items Kind regards Tim Bruijnzeels Assistant Manager Software Engineering RIPE NCC Database Group

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Call for agenda items, DB-WG meeting during RIPE73, Madrid, Spain
by Piotr Strzyzewski 12 Sep '16

12 Sep '16

Dear DB-WG participants We are reaching out to you for agenda items for the Database Working Group session during the RIPE73 meeting in Madrid, Spain, 24-28 October 2016. The DB-WG session is currently scheduled as usual for Thursday (Oct 27th), starting at 15:00 local time, after the lunch break. The length of our timeslot is 90 minutes. ATTENTION: This time the meeting start and end times have been adjusted by one hour to complement the local Spanish working hours and customs. Please submit your items or topic suggestions directly to the WG chairs or to the list for public discussion. The draft agenda will be published soon. Looking forward to see you all in Madrid. All the best, Job, Nigel & Piotr -- gucio -> Piotr Strzyżewski E-mail: Piotr.Strzyzewski(a)polsl.pl

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RIPE NCC whois REST API
by janemba 12 Sep '16

12 Sep '16

Hi, I would like to know if it is possible to perform a full-text search with the Whois REST API ? Cheers, Janemba

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Clean-up of unreferenced objects in the RIPE Database
by Tim Bruijnzeels 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

Dear colleagues, In compliance with data protection rules and the desire to maintain a “clean” database, we plan to remove unreferenced objects from the RIPE Database. We have recently been working on an improved implementation, and we are now ready to re-start the process. In order to be eligible for deletion, objects must have no incoming references (or be a person-maintainer or role-maintainer pair) and must have had no incoming references from any aut-num, domain, inet(6)num, route(6), as-set, filter-set, inet-rtr, peering-set, route-set, rtr-set, as-block, key-cert or irt object during the last 90 days. We have identified roughly 500,000 unreferenced objects in the RIPE Database and have prepared a script to remove these objects in several smaller batches. We will run the first batch to clean up roughly 3,600 role objects today at 16:00 CET. We plan to run an additional batch to clean up roughly 31,000 organisation objects tomorrow morning, and a final batch to clean up roughly 460,000 person objects on Thursday morning. After this, we will continue to run the process nightly to help keep the RIPE Database clean. Further details about the cleanup process are available online: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/clean-up-of-unreference… Kind regards, Tim Bruijnzeels Assistant Manager Software Engineering RIPE NCC Database Group

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all quiet
by ripedenis＠yahoo.co.uk 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Hi guys It has been pretty quiet on this WG for a while. But I hear from 'sources close to the NCC' that they have been doing some amasing improvements to the Webupdates service. In my day at the NCC there was a manager who said she didn't know what I did (which says more about her than me). One of the many, many, many, many things I did was to let the world know what we were doing. So come on guys, don't be shy, let us all know what is cooking so we can all rejoice in your achievements. cheersdenis

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Locking unmaintained PERSON and ROLE objects in the RIPE Database
by Trudy Prins 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC Executive Board (EB) endorsed a proposal on how to deal with a vulnerability for RIPE Database users. Following their advice, the RIPE NCC proactively locked 848,986 unmaintained PERSON objects and 1,206 unmaintained ROLE objects on 6 April 2016. Since reaching the last /8, IPv4 address space has become more susceptible to hijacking. Unmaintained PERSON and ROLE objects are highly at risk of being found and hijacked. In addition, unmaintained PERSON and ROLE objects are an issue with regards to data protection obligations. The potential impact of abuse led us to consult with the EB on this intermediary solution before engaging with the community on the next steps. Exposing this issue without taking adequate measures would have left the RIPE NCC liable to third party damages. The proposed solution we outline below is a starting point, to be discussed by the community. Background: =========== Since 2010 it has been mandatory to protect PERSON and ROLE objects in the RIPE Database using a maintainer on "mnt-by:". A large number of PERSON and ROLE objects dating from before 2010 are still not protected in this way. Objects can be created that reference these unmaintained objects, but doing so will generate a warning. In recent years, given the scarcity of IPv4 address space, there is a higher risk of people searching for unmaintained PERSON or ROLE objects in order to pose as a resource holder to sell IPv4 space. In the case of legacy space, this could take place outside the view of the RIPE NCC if the address space is not registered with the RIPE NCC. Proposal: ========= 1) All unmaintained ROLE and PERSON objects are now locked. As the RIPE NCC will not be able to correctly check all claims on unmaintained database objects, unlocking is not available. Offering to unlock these objects could leave the RIPE NCC liable to third party damages if due diligence is not followed. 2) Furthermore, the RIPE NCC modifies the existing warning about referencing unmaintained persons/roles to a similar warning about referencing locked persons/roles. 3a) The locked objects can remain as they are. In time, all locked PERSON or ROLE objects no longer referenced by other objects could be automatically deleted: the current thinking is a 180-day deletion timeout for these locked, unreferenced objects. 3b) If there is an operational need, new PERSON or ROLE objects should be created by the object owners. This solution puts control back into the hands of the object owners. The user can follow the existing process for creating and referencing new objects. If there is a use case for supporting bulk migrations where a reference to a locked PERSON or ROLE object should be replaced, the RIPE NCC can create a wizard in the RIPE Database webupdates section of www.ripe.net <http://www.ripe.net/>. We look forward to your feedback. Kind regards, Trudy Prins Manager Software Engineering RIPE NCC

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[training] RIPE NCC Training Courses October-December 2016
by Training Services 01 Sep '16

01 Sep '16

Dear colleagues, Our training team travels the RIPE NCC service region to deliver training courses to our members without any additional cost. Over the next few months, we'll be in Yerevan, Bucharest, Amman, Bern, Minsk, Belgrade, Dublin, Athens. Visit the following page to register and to check which training courses we are giving in your area: https://lirportal.ripe.net/training/courses The RIPE NCC delivers the following training courses: - LIR Training Course - RIPE Database Training Course - Basic IPv6 Training Course - DNSSEC Training Course - Measurements Tools Workshop - 2 days Advanced IPv6 Training Course - 2 days BGP Operations and Security Training Course For more information visit: https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses With kind regards, Rumy Spratley-Kanis Training Services Manager

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