I am also impressed and concerned with the old, inopportune and improper posture of the gentlemen Randy Bush and Gert Doering. Always happy to impress the young.
and i always love ad hominem attacks; a sure sign of a loser.
I've never said people should not handle abuse, or publish abuse contacts (and if you've ever dealt with us, you know that we take all abuse reports very seriously, and of course, our published abuse-c: is read and acted upon).
I disagree with implementation details of abuse-c: (namely the mandatory indirection via an organisation: object) and with the claims that it is a strict requirement "for the registry functions of the RIPE NCC" - which it isn't. The registry needs to know who they have a contract with, and that's something abuse-c: is orthogonal to - it does not make a difference either way.
yup. but i do think the confusion is at least partly that the ncc database does not make clear the differentiation between the the ncc registry data and the less formal member data, kinda called the irr elsewhere. i think arin may be the only rir which still has clear separation; they just run the registry and let the irr go loose. and before one asserts that is the cause of bad irr data in noam, note that afrinic, apnic, and lacnic all mix the datasets and have sucky irr data; except for ocd japan, of course. i conject that irr maintenance is a cultural thing. randy