[note local-ir is chopped from cc:] Jens Huenerberg wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Michael Holzt wrote:
I just got response from the denic regarding my questions about future updates to handles. [...]
We would really like to act supportive - but somehow it came we cannot. Noone asked or told us by time. There was no information available in advance and the update session itself was a whole mess. Handles have been changed to mnt-by: DENIC-P even if we have had them protected with our mnt object just a day before. Even better, the corrected address data has also been changed. The reason for this was the use of a two or more days old data backup as a basis for the updates. This leads to a well known problem: lost updates. Great deal.
Interestingly, at least some of these overwritten updates came back later. Furthermore, I cannot understand the rules which have been applied to the importer of the DENIC database. Which data is now there? Yesterday's RIPE data? One week before? With corrected updates? And so on....
Protection of unmaintained person objects referenced from *.de domains was essential because the setup of DENIC database was planned to be done in two phases: first moving domain objects, and then migrating person/role objects. Addition of DENIC-P maintainer prevented these person/role objects from accidental deletion in the period between the two phases. This was done as requested by DENIC and according to their policy. The reason this was done by RIPE NCC and not by DENIC themselves was the RIPE Database performance concerns. Unfortunately due to mistake some objects were updated that were not needed to be. These objects were converted back and the apologies were sent.
A strategy that prevents small providers from self-managing "their" domains is inacceptable for us, as well. Stupid enough, that only DENIC members can modify or register domain names. Now, all information should be unchangeable for others than them? Why?
In other countries and the internet as a whole, decentralization means deregulation. Maybe, that it is needed that .de domains and data has to leave the RIPE's main database. But does this also mean that handling has to be different or principalized? I say no.
-- Best regards,
Dipl.-Inform. Jens H|nerberg T: +49-30-39909070 Logivision GmbH F: +49-30-39909079 Alt-Moabit 96c E: info@logivision.de 10559 Berlin W: www.logivision.de Germany
Best regards, -- Andrei Robachevsky DB Group Manager RIPE NCC