btw,, i did try auto-1 The following object(s) were found to have ERRORS: --- Create FAILED: [mntner] MAINT-RGNET ***Info: Syntax check passed mntner: MAINT-RGNET descr: RGnet admin-c: AUTO-1 upd-to: rw@rg.net auth: NONE mnt-by: MAINT-RGNET referral-by: MAINT-RGNET changed: randy@psg.com 20031217 source: RGNET ***Error: Unknown AUTO- nic handle referenced: auto-1 and, i forgot to mention the delicious dessert dbupdate seems to serve For assistance or clarification please contact: RIPE Database Administration <db-admin@rg.net> dbupdate in free(): warning: chunk is already free dbupdate in free(): warning: junk pointer, too high to make sense # randy