Comments in context below ... On 6 Feb 2004, at 14:31, Randy Bush wrote:
Attribute name Name should be distinctive, eg: 'abuse-mailbox'; not 'e-mail'
since it should be a handle, which allows me to even get to a <gasp!> phone number, calling it mail-anything seems a mis-direction. since all the rest are of the form <foo>-c:, do we have to invent something new?
Yes, we do. A number of ppl (MarcoH, dfk), in different ways, and for divers reasons, have made it clear that we need a new attribute to carry as its value (yes, I do mean RHS) the e-mail address where abuse notifications should be sent. Marco explained this particularly well; The following example is an attempt to illustrate his point. Running whois -h whois.ripe.net 137.43.0.0 | \ perl -ne 'next unless /@/; ($addr) = grep /@/, split; print "$addr\n"' gives a bunch of addresses, which will probably ALL be used by your generic cheap-n-cheerful, save-the-world-from-SPAM robot. [ Hmm.. look at those victims! Must try to spread the load even wider! 8-) ] We aim to make it easy for everyone; the following should be nearly enough. whois -h whois.ripe.net 137.43.0.0 | \ awk '/^abuse-mailbox:/ {print $2}'
Handle Handle is upwardly scalable Handle could refer to person, role, or maintainer
yep
Value Value is necessary; if not in primary object, then indirectly Value in primary object is attractive at low end of scale Value is vulnerable to RHS-hijacking, even if not in primary object!
do not understand. do you mean the value (right hand side) of the abuse-c: attribute? or are we sending cash? :-)
[ I'll happily receive cash. 8-) ] I mean the RHS of the abuse-mailbox: attribute. This attribute MAY be specified in the primary (inet*num or such) object, but for scalability belongs in the object whose handle is on the RHS of a *-c: or mnt-by: attribute. [ Hmm.. *-c, *-by, *-fly 8-) ] As dfk has pointed out, we can get by without abuse-c: if we focus on taking advantage of _existing_ person/role/mntner objects linked by *-c: or mnt-by: and just use abuse-mailbox:. <p loaded-with="irony" remark="In case it's not obvious"> This is the speedy-deployment option, so I'm sure we won't want to use it! </p> IHTH TGIF /NO8