Re: [db-wg] running in whios-circles...?
* Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
Ideally, IANA should point to the final RIR right away.
That would certainly be more helpful than the present state of affairs, within which the IANA WHOIS server is not merely failing to give out correct referrals, but is actually giving out demonstratably incorrect referrals.
Functionally and operationally, the portion of the IANA WHOIS service that provides referrals for IP addresses is, at present, worse than useless due to the innumerable incorrect referrals it provides. If IANA does not wish to correct that, then they should at least configure the thing so that it will stop providing *any* responses at all when queried about IP addresses.
Did you ever tried to correct wrong entries in the IANA whois? I did and the entries were fixed (within a period of about a year). It's certainly possible to have correct data in the IANA server. OTOH if the problem is serious enough, an IANA review can be triggered.
Hi, On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 07:00:01AM +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg wrote:
Did you ever tried to correct wrong entries in the IANA whois? I did and the entries were fixed (within a period of about a year). It's certainly possible to have correct data in the IANA server. OTOH if the problem is serious enough, an IANA review can be triggered.
I'm not sure it's the community's job to review IANA data continuously and fix their DB every time a network transfer between RIRs is done. I'm fairly sure a smart mind can come up with some solution involving computers here. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
* Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 07:00:01AM +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg wrote:
Did you ever tried to correct wrong entries in the IANA whois? I did and the entries were fixed (within a period of about a year). It's certainly possible to have correct data in the IANA server. OTOH if the problem is serious enough, an IANA review can be triggered.
I'm not sure it's the community's job to review IANA data continuously and fix their DB every time a network transfer between RIRs is done.
I'm fairly sure a smart mind can come up with some solution involving computers here.
Despite your appropriate sarcasm, there are options to urge IANA to fix this automatically. The first step would be to recognise the problem at the review level. It would be helpful to start this with an ASO action on ICANN72. (*SOs are allowed to start PDPs, also known as policy changes)
Hi, On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 07:14:13AM +0000, Lutz Donnerhacke via db-wg wrote:
Despite your appropriate sarcasm, there are options to urge IANA to fix this automatically. The first step would be to recognise the problem at the review level. It would be helpful to start this with an ASO action on ICANN72. (*SOs are allowed to start PDPs, also known as policy changes)
Not sure which is the best way forward here - "individual members of the community trying to understand ICANN mechanics" or "raising the issue in the RIR community, handing the problem statement to the NRO, and letting the NRO deal with ICANN". As I'm lazy (and not good in dealing with other organization's processes) I'd much prefer "NRO deals with this" :-) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
In message <37860f12c013468f81eaaabbb037b607@iks-service.de>, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke@iks-service.de> wrote:
Did you ever tried to correct wrong entries in the IANA whois?
No. When I pointed out to hostmaster@iana.org that WHOIS responses were wrong, the reply I got back indicated to me that they knew and didn't care.
I did and the entries were fixed (within a period of about a year).
I don't need proper referrals to the appropriate RIR WHOIS server "in about a year". I need them last week. And I implemented a solution to obtain that. In general, I don't wait for other folks to get around to doing the Right Thing if I am able to simply program around their failings. Regards, rfg
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