The following is my recollection of the Paris discussion about this: Andreas Schachtner had proposed to add an attribute to all non-person objects specifying the mailbox of the operational contact points. This had been mailed around on ripe-op before the Paris meeting. The proposal was discussed and a separate NOC object was proposed in order to prevent duplication of the same data all over the database and have a better mapping with reality. This was considered a too heavyweight soloution for the time being. Consensus was to add separate optional attributes to all objects except persons for e-mail, phone and fax of the operational contacts. If this gets widely used then introduction of a NOC object and replacement of these attributes by a pointer to it can be considered at a later stage. I propose the following naming: ATTR op op-phone ATTR of op-fax ATTR om op-mail All optional and multiple. Semantics: Generic contact information for operational purposes like a common mailbox for the NOC or operations group and/or a NOC hotline etc. Not intended for duplication of information that can be found via the tc, ac, and zc persons! Comments? Daniel