Fw: Not yet NWIs: Support for IDNs
Please do Leo :) cheersdenis co-chair DB-WG On Friday, 22 May 2020, 18:02:07 CEST, Leo Vegoda via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hi Nick, On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 8:51 AM Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
Leo Vegoda via db-wg wrote on 21/05/2020 23:35:
At RIPE 80, Denis asked for feedback on some items that are not yet NWIs, including internationalized domain names.
My feedback is that the RIPE Database should support internationalized e-mail addresses. The RIPE region includes a number of countries that use a non-Latin script. Most of these countries have an IDN version of their ccTLD and there are also a number of IDN gTLDs serving these language communities.
this looks like an offer to write a brief NWI, no? :-)
I am happy to draft some text for the problem statement and circulate it on the list. Kind regards, Leo Vegoda
Hi, On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:52 AM ripedenis--- via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Please do Leo :)
Here's my draft for people to kick around and improve. Kind regards, Leo Vegoda The RIPE NCC service region includes countries whose language is not written using Latin script. Languages using other scripts include (in English alphabetical order) Arabic, Georgian, Greek, Hebrew, and Russian. Many of the languages used in the RIPE NCC service region are written in Latin script but use diacritical marks that fall outside the US-ASCII character set. Internationalized Domain Names (IDNs) support the use of these scripts in DNS. ICANN began delegating IDN Top-Level Domains as part of a test program in 2007 and the IETF updated the IDNA protocol in 2008 and as of mid 2020, there were over 160 IDN TLDs in the root zone. The IETF published eight standards track RFCs on using IDNs in e-mail in 2012 and 2013. It is reasonable that organizations communicating with people whose preferred script is not Latin-based would want to use an IDN domain for e-mail as well as a web presence. It is also likely that the registry for an IDN TLD would want to use that TLD for its e-mail addresses. In November 2019, Ronald F. Guilmette noted that the RIPE Database already has at least one e-mail address that makes use of Latin script diacritical characters in the domain name. RFC 3912 explicitly notes that the WHOIS protocol has not been internationalized while recognizing that some servers attempt to do so. RDAP is the protocol designed to replace WHOIS, has been deployed by the RIPE NCC, and explicitly supports internationalization by UTF-8 encoding all queries and responses. The RIPE community could decide to ignore EAI by trying to require organizations to deploy a secondary e-mail address for use in the RIPE Database. This would reduce the effectiveness of the RIPE Database as the secondary address is less likely to be monitored and used, and so to be effective. Adding support for e-mail addresses that use IDNs in the RIPE Database leads to the question of where else the RIPE NCC would need to add internationalization support in order to provide a properly integrated set of services. For instance, if support is added for registering e-mail addresses, there is likely to be a demand for the names used in "person:" and "role:" objects to be displayed as recorded on official identity documents. References IANA Root Zone Procedures for Test IDN Deployment | Draft (https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/idn-iana-root-zone-procedures-2007-06-...) Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA): Protocol (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5891) Standards and Other Documents Related to Universal Acceptance (https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/documents/UASG006-en-digital.pdf) Root Zone Database (https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db) [db-wg] Internationalized domain names in the data abase? (https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/db-wg/2019-November/006413.html) WHOIS Protocol Specification (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3912) JSON Responses for the Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) (https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7483)
On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 07:55:16AM -0700, Leo Vegoda via db-wg wrote: Hi,
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 10:52 AM ripedenis--- via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Please do Leo :)
Here's my draft for people to kick around and improve.
Thanks for this one. Two comments from my side, as a for-internationalisation grumbler.
The RIPE NCC service region includes countries whose language is not written using Latin script. Languages using other scripts include (in English alphabetical order) Arabic, Georgian, Greek, Hebrew, and Russian. Many of the languages used in the RIPE NCC service region are
The list is lacking a lot of languages that are written in Cyrillic and its variations (like Bulgarian or Serbian Cyrillic). This should be noted.
Adding support for e-mail addresses that use IDNs in the RIPE Database leads to the question of where else the RIPE NCC would need to add internationalization support in order to provide a properly integrated set of services. For instance, if support is added for registering e-mail addresses, there is likely to be a demand for the names used in "person:" and "role:" objects to be displayed as recorded on official identity documents.
The demand is there for at least 10 years now. I realised that I have moaned about that for the first time at RIPE 61 in 2010. ;-) But please, use baby steps with that. Cheers, Piotr -- Piotr Strzyżewski
Hi Piotr, On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:09 PM Piotr Strzyzewski <Piotr.Strzyzewski@polsl.pl> wrote: [...]
The RIPE NCC service region includes countries whose language is not written using Latin script. Languages using other scripts include (in English alphabetical order) Arabic, Georgian, Greek, Hebrew, and Russian. Many of the languages used in the RIPE NCC service region are
The list is lacking a lot of languages that are written in Cyrillic and its variations (like Bulgarian or Serbian Cyrillic). This should be noted.
Absolutely. I wasn't trying to be comprehensive. I do not think a complete list is required to make either the practical or moral case. Kind regards, Leo
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Leo Vegoda
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Piotr Strzyzewski
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