Christian Rasmussen <mailto:chr@jay.net> wrote: Hi Christian,
I'd also like to see a mandatory/multiple abuse-c field containing a rfc-valid email address.
Im not sure why it should be multiple? But I think most of us on this list can agree with you that a valid abuse email address associated with each inetnum in the database would be very welcome. From what I have seen so far I would need:
abuse: copyright.infringement@ourdomain // spam from some people abuse: system.attack@ourdomain // DoS, portscan .... abuse: spam@ourdomain abuse: legal@ourdomain // For cybersquatting, legal procedure But I am not sure the problem is only technic I see it partly as a matter of usage : if we where behaving the same even putting the abuse in remarks, desc or whatever the field is, people would get used to it, and they would stop writing to all address. Regards, -- Julien Tayon LDCOM networks BU DATA- +33 1 70 18 14 45 1 square Chaptal , 92309 Levallois Cedex
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 11:35:30AM +0100, TAYON, Julien wrote:
From what I have seen so far I would need:
abuse: copyright.infringement@ourdomain // spam from some people abuse: system.attack@ourdomain // DoS, portscan .... abuse: spam@ourdomain abuse: legal@ourdomain // For cybersquatting, legal procedure
But I am not sure the problem is only technic I see it partly as a matter of usage : if we where behaving the same even putting the abuse in remarks, desc or whatever the field is, people would get used to it, and they would stop writing to all address.
Having multiple entries shouldn't be that problem, except you have to live for the fact that you will probably get a copy on each address listed and you have to make sure that at least one responds to it otherwise you will break the system again. Your suggestion to use remarks/desc attributes is a problem in the way that they are freeform and it's not easy to force people on using a strict format, nor is it easy to just use 'grep' to get the information your looking for. MarcoH
Hi Julien,
I'd also like to see a mandatory/multiple abuse-c field containing a rfc-valid email address.
Im not sure why it should be multiple? But I think most of us on this list can agree with you that a valid abuse email address associated with each inetnum in the database would be very welcome. From what I have seen so far I would need: abuse: copyright.infringement@ourdomain // spam from some people abuse: system.attack@ourdomain // DoS, portscan .... abuse: spam@ourdomain abuse: legal@ourdomain // For cybersquatting, legal procedure But I am not sure the problem is only technic I see it partly as a matter of usage : if we where behaving the same even putting the abuse in remarks, desc or whatever the field is, people would get used > to it, and they would stop writing to all address.
I see your point, problem is, many LIRs would probably prefer just abuse@domain, this way we would end up with sometimes a general mail address and sometimes a specific one - meaning Internet users won't get the same type of answer for all IP addresses. Also there will probably be Internet users (maybe even LIRs) who doesn't define the above categories as you do, so you can't even be sure the correct addresses will be used. I fear we have to choose between the simple not so great solution: abuse@domain or: a more correct one like the categories you have listed above, but with the consequence that either its not used correctly by all LIRs or the users do not understand how to use it = a not much better situation than today. Another problem is that there will probably come new categories all the time, but I must say that the ones you have listed correspond to what I have seen here. But If I have to choose between having some complaints end up in the exact correct categories while others even end up in totally irrelevant personal mailboxes (as today) or all type of complaints goes to a single address I would prefer the latter. Med venlig hilsen/Best regards Christian Rasmussen Hosting manager, jay.net a/s Smedeland 32, 2600 Glostrup, Denmark Email: noc@jay.net Personal email: chr@corp.jay.net Tlf./Phone: +45 3336 6300, Fax: +45 3336 6301 Produkter / Products: http://hosting.jay.net
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 11:35:30AM +0100, TAYON, Julien wrote:
I'd also like to see a mandatory/multiple abuse-c field containing a rfc-valid email address.
Im not sure why it should be multiple? But I think most of us on this list can agree with you that a valid abuse email address associated with each inetnum in the database would be very welcome. From what I have seen so far I would need:
abuse: copyright.infringement@ourdomain // spam from some people abuse: system.attack@ourdomain // DoS, portscan .... abuse: spam@ourdomain abuse: legal@ourdomain // For cybersquatting, legal procedure
But I am not sure the problem is only technic I see it partly as a matter of usage : if we where behaving the same even putting the abuse in remarks, desc or whatever the field is, people would get used to it, and they would stop writing to all address.
Some of this discussion is moving away from strict databasey sort of things towards abuse reporting policy. Anyone interested in the latter may want to look at http://asrg.sp.am/subgroups/abuse_reports.shtml as well. Cheers, Steve
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