Hi, On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:47:37AM +0200, Sebastian Wiesinger via db-wg wrote:

Denis wrote:

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There is also a question over the double indirection to get to the abuse contact information, ie resource object -> ORGANISATION object -> ROLE object.

I'm not sure how many times I've stated this in the past: this double indirection looks great in computer science theory, but it annoys real people enough to just not jump through these hoops - so "nothing is done, because it is too annoying". I'm among this group. If I have to create (and maintain) an extra organization: object just to be able to point a more-specific inetnum to a different abuse-c: (or just add a more-specific abuse-mailbox:) - then I'm just not going to do it. Not sure what's so hard in *listening*, and then coming up with a solution that takes the statements said into account, not "make a beautiful database out of it" - to make this work, it needs to be easy on people that *do* the work, not pretty on the back side. [..]

I think it is a show stopper. You have to understand the logic and implement the tools. Many LIRs will shy away from that. Instead just adding an "abuse-c:" field to an object is easily understandable.

This!

To sum it up, I don't think that this approach will make it easier to add and maintain abuse information in the database and as such will not improve the goal of having accurate and up-to-date abuse contact information. I would not support the proposal in this form.

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