geolocation purpose
Colleagues The discussion and agreement of the text for a new purpose for the RIPE Database covering geolocation was done by the RIPE NCC and it's executive board. They refused to publish the text in advance, didn't announce that the board had agreed to it or that the T&C document has been updated. I still don't understand why this had to be done so secretly. Anyway this is the text of the new purpose from the T&C, https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms "Facilitating network operations by publishing geolocation information about the usage of Internet number resources (including country, region, city of the party to which the resources have been distributed by the Registrants)" Does this cover what you all wanted from the new "geofeed:" attribute? "Facilitating network operations" suggests this information is only for use by network operators in the management of their networks. Any use of this geolocation information by the wider public or other geolocation information providers is therefore not covered by this purpose. AFAIK this change to the T&C has not yet been announced by the RIPE NCC as required by Article 8.2. So the new purpose is not yet in effect. cheers denis co-chair DB-WG
Hi Denis, That text seems fine to me. I think the key point is "publishing geolocation information", which allows the wider public to get access. My main question is basically: once the new T&C is announced are we then allowed to add geolocation information, specifically the geofeed attribute, to PI IPv4 /24 and PI IPv6 /48 netblocks? If yes, then I think this will suffice for the community. -peter On 2023 Nov 02 (Thu) at 21:54:43 +0100 (+0100), denis walker via db-wg wrote: :Colleagues : :The discussion and agreement of the text for a new purpose for the :RIPE Database covering geolocation was done by the RIPE NCC and it's :executive board. They refused to publish the text in advance, didn't :announce that the board had agreed to it or that the T&C document has :been updated. I still don't understand why this had to be done so :secretly. : :Anyway this is the text of the new purpose from the T&C, :https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms : :"Facilitating network operations by publishing geolocation information :about the usage of Internet number resources (including country, :region, city of the party to which the resources have been distributed :by the Registrants)" : :Does this cover what you all wanted from the new "geofeed:" attribute? :"Facilitating network operations" suggests this information is only :for use by network operators in the management of their networks. Any :use of this geolocation information by the wider public or other :geolocation information providers is therefore not covered by this :purpose. : :AFAIK this change to the T&C has not yet been announced by the RIPE :NCC as required by Article 8.2. So the new purpose is not yet in :effect. : :cheers :denis :co-chair DB-WG
I agree with Peter. I assume the NCC legal team thinks this is what is needed to allow for geofeeds for /48s and such, and if so I am happy with that. -Cynthia On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 10:03 PM Peter Hessler via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Denis,
That text seems fine to me. I think the key point is "publishing geolocation information", which allows the wider public to get access.
My main question is basically: once the new T&C is announced are we then allowed to add geolocation information, specifically the geofeed attribute, to PI IPv4 /24 and PI IPv6 /48 netblocks?
If yes, then I think this will suffice for the community.
-peter
On 2023 Nov 02 (Thu) at 21:54:43 +0100 (+0100), denis walker via db-wg wrote: :Colleagues : :The discussion and agreement of the text for a new purpose for the :RIPE Database covering geolocation was done by the RIPE NCC and it's :executive board. They refused to publish the text in advance, didn't :announce that the board had agreed to it or that the T&C document has :been updated. I still don't understand why this had to be done so :secretly. : :Anyway this is the text of the new purpose from the T&C, :https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/db/support/documentation/terms : :"Facilitating network operations by publishing geolocation information :about the usage of Internet number resources (including country, :region, city of the party to which the resources have been distributed :by the Registrants)" : :Does this cover what you all wanted from the new "geofeed:" attribute? :"Facilitating network operations" suggests this information is only :for use by network operators in the management of their networks. Any :use of this geolocation information by the wider public or other :geolocation information providers is therefore not covered by this :purpose. : :AFAIK this change to the T&C has not yet been announced by the RIPE :NCC as required by Article 8.2. So the new purpose is not yet in :effect. : :cheers :denis :co-chair DB-WG
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Peter Hessler