Getting the t-shirts right *is* really hard...speaking from experience after organising the shirts for 17 meetings.

I had a supplier that would custom-cut the shirts, we had them custom labelled and people still complained (too thin, too long, too short). Unfortunately they went bankrupt.

Ultimately, the way a t-shirt fits is going to be a very personal thing. Some women like them tight, some want them loose. Some want shorter sleeves, others longer. Some want a crew-cut neck, others want a v-neck.

With 800 people, it's hard to make everyone happy. Rest assured that we try our best and listen to feedback - but there will inevitably always be people that wish the shirt fit their body differently.

I heard from many women (and men) that they loved the shirts, for the record, I also have a waist and boobs and the RIPE 77 unisex shirt fit me well - as it did my male colleague:
https://twitter.com/ripemeeting/status/1052106331921047552

Other times, I didn't like the fit of the shirt on my body but others loved them. We can't make everyone happy but we do try our best.

My point being that every body is different, so saying a unisex shirt doesn't work for a woman isn't necessarily true.

On 22/10/2018 15:09, Julia Freeman wrote:
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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 02:55:42PM +0200, Gergana Petrova wrote:

Hi all,

About the T-shirts, Amanda, I don't think Theresa was suggesting to
have only "unisex" T-shirts - she suggeted having two types -
"fitted" and "unisex". Maybe I am wrong about this, but I haven't
heard any "opposite feedback" (coming from women, presumably?)
suggesting we should only have one type of T-shirts for everybody...

Unisex is not a mix between the male and female cut. The unisex cut
is basically identical to the cut traditionally associated with men
(same chest, waist, and hip measurements).

Basically it's is giving everybody men's cut, but telling women to
be happy about it, since it's labelled "unisex". I don't see why
RIPE NCC should only offer "unisex", especially given the diversity
efforts we are making. The biology of men and women is different.
Women have breasts, smaller waist, bigger hips. That's why unisex
(aka men's cut) does not fit women well. I support Theresa's
suggestion to offer two cuts. As for the labeling, I also support
labeling them "fitted" and "loose" (rather than "mens" and "womens")
or any other way, so people can make up their mind themselves.

In conclusion, I do not believe women should be happy with a staight
cut, that doesn't fit their biology, simply because it is labelled
"unisex". I think we should offer two cuts and lablel them in a
gender-neutral way.

It's not just about the cut, care needs to be taken in how the printing is
laid out. What looks fine on a flat male chest, can look at best weird,
and at worst offensive on a large female chest (think parts of designs cut
ff by boob shape). T-Shirt design is hard. 

Calling a traditional mens cut "unisex" is just wrong. I like the "fitted"
and "unfitted" labelling. 

J
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