On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 12:16 AM Gert Doering <gert@space.net> wrote:

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 07:03:29PM +0200, Vesna Manojlovic wrote:

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This is a process performed by volunteers, who have the benefit of the community at heart. Please consider volunteering, since you seem to be very passionate about justice and fairness.

Nothing here ensures that the CoC enforcement team will continue to be manned by positive and caring individuals.

When this was presented first time, my thought was "this looks more like a band seeking revenge", and I stated so (and was yelled at).

I do feel very much at home in the RIPE community, but if we institute a system without proper balances, I wouldn't feel comfortable anymore. In essence, what Malcolm said.

Look at the process through the eyes of someone intent on harming someone else, through whatever means needed. Is it still good?

Right now, without the CoC, someone intent on harming someone else could harass the victim with no recourse. Is that good?

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- this kind of process is proven to work in many other communities.

The "other communities need this" argument has never really rang true for me. We're not "other communities", we're RIPE.

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- within RIPE, we had a "lite" version for several years now, called "Trusted Contacts" (TC) , and I have been one of the people "appointed" to this role: difficult job, so I got a training; it's not perfect to be appointed, nor it is perfect that I have kind-of "conflict of interest" since I work for RIPE NCC. As TC, we were not "empowered" to take any action, partially because we were not selected by the community, partially because there was no CoC framework... as we have now.

This is something I've liked and wholeheartly supported (and while not *formally* empowered, you were trusted to do the right thing, and the NCC had all the empowerment it needed to kick out someone from a RIPE meeting if needed).

Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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