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Re: [dns-wg] Re: dnsmon / .org
by Marcel Schneider 10 Sep '03

10 Sep '03

On Wednesday, 10 Sep 2003, Daniel Karrenberg writes: Daniel > While we so far have only monitored TLDs with whome we have some contact, > we can certainly also monitor any TLD if there is an expressed interest > from the RIPE community. Thechnically this is no problem at all. > Configuring it takes all of 5 minutes and even the alpha version > of the analysis web site on the development server box can easily take > the load. Here the views of a (small) ccTLD (CH): 1. Monitoring TLD name servers from different points on earth in a, let's say 'standardized' way, and publish such data is welcome. The points to clarify here are: standardized and 'such', the later designating a subset of all possible measurements or everything. The standardization aspect is is IMO more interesting: we need an RFC for these measurements. 2. Since this kind of monitoring can be bought from e.g. UltraDNS, it may be wise not enter in any competition, meaning it should have a price tag. 3. If it has aprice tag, people will want to know what to get for the money, meaning an SLA is required. An SLA is a contract with technical, organizational, legal and administrative definitions. 4. It is to be determined if RIPE NCC is the appropriate org to offer such services. Good: neutral, professional, some hard- and software already in place and can be used; bad: not really RIPE's core business, the competition with commercial firms. How about a RIPE-spin-off, Netlabs, etc. ? Summary: desirable service, still much to be defined. Marcel

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New DNS server
by Abdelhamid Osman 10 Sep '03

10 Sep '03

Dear Ripe, We are here in Internet Egypt a LIR to RIPE NCC reg ID : eg.ie . We currently have two DNS servers : brainy1.ie-eg.com and brainy2.ie-eg.com We want to add a new DNS server brainy4.ie-eg.com We want to know if there is any thing that we should do with ripe in order to have this new DNS server registered and be able to add domain names to it ? Please advise us with the necessary procedures that should be taken. Best Regards, Abdelhamid Osman Network Manager Internet Egypt

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RE: [ncc-services-wg] Re: dnsmon / .org
by Mike Norris 10 Sep '03

10 Sep '03

> I have had a number of questions like Joerg's already for all gTLDs > besides .MIL. I see little chance that we can get them all to agree to > pay a share of the cost. I also see that the overhead of making > agreements with some of the organisations involoved can be prohibitive. > If there is interest from the RIPE community it is easy to monitor these > domains. However it is very difficult to do it for some for free and > ask the others to pay. So doing that may lead to a situation where the > RIPE NCC membership ends up paying the whole bill. I would actually > like that because it makes the measurements even more independent > and I would not have to invest time into making agreements with the TLD admins, > billing, etc. pp. I agree; if people want accuracy and integrity, the measurements have to be taken independently. Mike Norris

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Presentations at DNS meeting
by Patrik Fältström 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

An update: You can see yourself on http://rosie.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/presentations/ whether your presentations has been taken care of. If they are missing there, please resend. paf

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v6 ns/glue naming bcp
by Jakob Schlyter 09 Sep '03

09 Sep '03

is there any operational considerations before putting both A and AAAA records on a name used glue? or, should one use separate names for v4 and v6 transport? e.g.: example.com. NS ns1.example.com. NS ns2.example.com. ns1.example.com. A 192.0.2.1 AAAA dead:beef::1 ns2.example.com. A 192.0.2.2 AAAA dead:beef::2 vs example.com. NS ns1.example.com. NS ns1.ipv6.example.com. NS ns2.example.com. NS ns2.ipv6.example.com. ns1.example.com. A 192.0.2.1 ns1.ipv6.example.com. AAAA dead:beef::1 ns2.example.com. A 192.0.2.2 ns2.ipv6.example.com. AAAA dead:beef::2 yours, jakob

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re: IDN
by EUser＠t-online.de 05 Sep '03

05 Sep '03

Moin >>>Internationalized Domain Names are represented by local >>>language characters, available in more than 350 languages, from >>>Korean to Greek, Russian to Chinese "VeriSign" >>The domain names are sent with funny names (IDN) this may >>cause confusion in big companies for examples >>"Rob Blokzijl" >http://www.oojjoo.com/nn/eisvogel.htm is this a multilingual IDN or a definition thing ? (seems to be a Percentage for commissions, discounts, rebates . .) mfg Bernd c/o EUser(a)t-online.de

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Fwd: draft RIPE 46 DN* WG minutes
by Patrik Fältström 05 Sep '03

05 Sep '03

Please have a look at these, and come with comments if you have any. We chairs seems to like the minutes, and we thank the scribes for getting the minutes together so fast. Those of you which had presentations and did NOT use the laptop on the stage, please send the presentations to webmaster(a)ripe.net, and cc me. paf Begin forwarded message: > From: Ziya Suzen <ziya(a)ripe.net> > Date: 4 september 2003 16.26.07 MET > To: Patrik Faltstrom <paf(a)cisco.com>, Peter Koch > <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>, Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap(a)sidn.nl>, NCC > Webmaster <webmaster(a)ripe.net> > Cc: Arno Meulenkamp <arno(a)ripe.net> > Subject: RIPE 46 DN* WG minutes > > Dear all, > > Attached are the minutes for Tuesday and Thursday sessions > respectively from RIPE 46 Meeting, Amsterdam, the Netherlands 1 - 5 > September, 2003. > > Working Group: DN* (Domain Names in Everything) > Sessions: > Tuesday, 2 September 2003 Time: 16.00 - 17.30 Location: Grand > Ballroom > (dns-dnr-minutes-1.txt) > > Thursday, 4 September 2003 Time: 09.00 - 12.30 Location: St. Johns II > (dns-dnr-minutes-2.txt) > > After the meeting I did get help from Arno Meulenkamp's (RIPE NCC) > notes as well. Thank you Arno. > > Regards, > > Ziya Suzen > RIPE NCC > > P.S. I am sorry. I couldn't find Jim Reid's email address. Can you > please forward this message to him as well if needed.

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Agenda for RIPE 46 (4th and final version)
by Patrik Fältström 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

When discussing the agenda, and order of the items, items related to CENTR and registry/registrar mechanisms are taken care of _FIRST_, on the Tuesday session. The rest on Thursday. I will personally not arrive to Amsterdam until Wed evening, so Peter, Jaap and Jim will take care of the wg until thursday morning. Any suggestions on late changes I because of this redirect at them. regards, paf Agenda at RIPE 46 ----------------- Tuesday 16:00-17:30 ------------------- [0] Charter / Agenda Bashing / Goals etc 0.1 Agenda, welcome etc (15 min) Discussion: Peter Koch, Jim Reid and Jaap Akkerhuis. [2] Reports / status items (same bullets every meeting) 2.5 IDN deployment / experience 2.5.1 Experience in Poland (15 minutes) Andrzej Bartosiewicz <andrzejb(a)nask.pl> 2.7 CENTR Technical committee 2.7.1 Report from .JP (10 min) Yasuhiro Orange Morishita / 森下泰宏 <yasuhiro(a)jprs.co.jp> - JP DNS server update - IDN deployment update - Report from DNSQC-TF (DNS Quality check Task Force) 2.7.2 Report from .PL (10 min) Andrzej Bartosiewicz [3] Special invited (longer) presentation (30 min) 3.1 RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> Thursday 9:00-10:30 ------------------- [0] Charter / Agenda Bashing / Goals etc (30 min) Leader of the discussion: Patrik Faltstrom Help from co-chairs: Peter Koch, Jim Reid and Jaap Akkerhuis. 0.2 Charter 0.3 What are we doing here anyway? [1] Topics with deliverables (15 min) 1.1 Quality of the DNS Topic-Leader: Unknown 1.1.1 Background, deliverables, participants etc 1.1.1.1 Who will lead this topic? 1.1.1.2 Deliverables 1.2.1 Tools 1.2.1.1 DomainSentinel (15 min) John Brown <role(a)chagres.net> [2] Reports / status items (same bullets every meeting) 2.1 Monitoring 2.1.1 RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (5 min) Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> 2.2 DNS in the IETF 2.2.1 DNSEXT (5 min) Olaf Kolkman <olaf(a)ripe.net> 2.2.2 DNSOP (5 min) Lars-Johan Liman <liman(a)autonomica.se> 2.2.3 Other wg's which touch DNS 2.2.3.2 SSHFP (5 min) Jakob Schlyter <jakob(a)rfc.se> 2.2.3.3 ENUM (5 min) Patrik Faltstrom <paf(a)cisco.com> 2.2.3.4 PROVREG (5 min) Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap(a)sidn.nl> Thursday 11:00-12:30 -------------------- 2.4 Root servers 2.4.2 B-Root (5 min) Bill Manning <bmanning(a)ISI.EDU> 2.4.2 F-Root (5 min) Joao Damas <joao(a)isc.org> 2.4.3 I-Root (5 min) Lars-Johan Liman <liman(a)autonomica.se> 2.6 DNSSEC deployment / experience 2.6.1 DNSSEC status (5 min) Sam Weiler <weiler(a)tislabs.com> 2.7 Anycast deployment / experience 2.7.1 Dave Knight (5 min) 2.8 DNS Software 2.8.1 Bind (5 min) Joao Damas <joao(a)isc.org> 2.8.2 OpenReg (5 min) Joao Damas <joao(a)isc.org> 2.8.3 NSD (5 min) Ted Lindgreen <ted(a)NLnetLabs.nl> 2.9 IPv6 deployment / experience 2.9.1 Adding IPv6 glue to the root zone (5 min) Ronald van der Pol [4] Temporary items 4.1 Use of DNS for SPAM prevention (15 min + max 10 minutes discussion) Note: This is not to be a spam discussion, but more a heads-up on the various mechanisms which exists and are discussed for example in the anti-spam research group in the IETF. Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. <amitchell(a)habeas.com> 4.2 The status of the rs.net testbed: (15 min) Bill Manning <bmanning(a)ISI.EDU> CN & JP tlds registered punycode entries KeyMgmt issues w/ persistant DNSSEC testbeds Precursors for IPv6 tlds & glue in the root zone 4.3 SYN flood like patterns on nameserver due to firewall issues? Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE>

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Agenda for DNS-wg at RIPE 46, version 3
by Patrik Fältström 27 Aug '03

27 Aug '03

Third version of the agenda. The reason why it has not ended up on the RIPE website is that I have all the time bcc:ed the correct address at RIPE NCC secretariat when I post this agenda to this address, and that doesn't work apparently. Mea culpa. Sorry. Exact division of agenda items on the different slots will happen shortly. Things which very late in the process still have "unknown" on them will be removed. Keep on sending me requests! FYI: I will not arrive to Amsterdam before late Wed evening, so my dear co-chairs will take care of sessions before that point in time. regards, paf Agenda at RIPE 46 ----------------- [0] Charter / Agenda Bashing / Goals etc Leader of the discussion: Jim Reid Help from co-chairs: Peter Koch and Jaap Akkerhuis. 0.1 Agenda 0.2 Charter 0.3 What are we doing here anyway? [1] Topics with deliverables 1.1 Quality of the DNS Topic-Leader: Unknown 1.1.1 Background, deliverables, participants etc 1.1.1.1 Who will lead this topic? 1.1.1.2 Deliverables 1.2.1 Tools 1.2.1.1 DomainSentinel John Brown <role(a)chagres.net> [2] Reports / status items (same bullets every meeting) (approx 5 min each) 2.1 Monitoring 2.1.1 RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> 2.2 DNS in the IETF 2.2.1 DNSEXT Lars-Johan Liman <liman(a)autonomica.se> 2.2.2 DNSOP Lars-Johan Liman <liman(a)autonomica.se> 2.2.3 Other wg's which touch DNS 2.2.3.1 IPSECKEY Unknown 2.2.3.2 SSHFP Jakob Schlyter <jakob(a)rfc.se> 2.2.3.3 ENUM Patrik Faltstrom <paf(a)cisco.com> (depending on what day it will be) 2.2.3.4 PROVREG Jaap Akkerhuis <jaap(a)sidn.nl> 2.3 EPP deployment / experience / status Unknown 2.4 Root servers 2.4.2 B-Root Bill Manning <bmanning(a)ISI.EDU> 2.4.2 F-Root Joao Damas <joao(a)isc.org> 2.4.3 I-Root Lars-Johan Liman <liman(a)autonomica.se> 2.5 IDN deployment / experience 2.5.1 Experience in Poland (15-30 minutes) Andrzej Bartosiewicz <andrzejb(a)nask.pl> 2.6 DNSSEC deployment / experience 2.6.1 DNSSEC status Sam Weiler <weiler(a)tislabs.com> 2.7 Anycast deployment / experience 2.7.1 Dave Knight 2.7 CENTR Technical committee Unknown 2.8 DNS Software (I accept info from _anyone_ here, not only ISC things) 2.8.1 Bind (maybe) Joao Damas <joao(a)isc.org> 2.8.2 OpenReg (maybe) Joao Damas <joao(a)isc.org> 2.8.3 NSD (they are asked, but have not said "ok" yet) Erik Rozendaal <erik(a)NLnetLabs.nl> Alexis Yushin <alexis(a)NLnetLabs.nl> 2.9 IPv6 deployment / experience 2.9.1 Adding IPv6 glue to the root zone Ronald van der Pol [3] Special invited (longer) presentation (30 min) 3.1 RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> [4] Temporary items (approximately 15 min each) 4.1 Use of DNS for SPAM prevention Note: This is not to be a spam discussion, but more a heads-up on the various mechanisms which exists and are discussed for example in the anti-spam research group in the IETF. Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. <amitchell(a)habeas.com> 4.2 The status of the rs.net testbed: CN & JP tlds registered punycode entries KeyMgmt issues w/ persistant DNSSEC testbeds Precursors for IPv6 tlds & glue in the root zone

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Agenda DNS wg at RIPE 46
by Patrik Fältström 21 Aug '03

21 Aug '03

This is the first suggested agenda. Note that this include: - A skeleton built from the proposed charter of the wg, which you might not agree with. If the charter change, of course also the agenda is to be changed. - Bullets which doesn't have any speakers (yet). I want *YOU* to agree on saying something. Or, even better, nominate your friend/enemy instead of taking up the glove yourself!!! :-) - No time for each agenda item yet. It is unclear how to divide the three 90 minute slots we have between all DN* groups which we might merge Agenda at RIPE 46 ----------------- [0] Charter / Agenda Bashing / Goals etc Leader of the discussion: Patrik Fältström Help from co-chairs: Jim Reid, Peter Koch and Jaap Akkerhuis. 0.1 Agenda 0.2 Charter 0.3 What are we doing here anyway? [1] Topics with deliverables 1.1 Quality of the DNS Leader of the discussion: Unknown [2] Reports / status items (same bullets every meeting) (max 5 min each) 2.1 Monitoring 2.1.1 RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> 2.2 DNS in the IETF 2.2.1 DNSEXT Unknown 2.2.2 DNSOP Unknown 2.2.3 Other wg's which touch DNS Unknown 2.3 EPP deployment / experience / status Edward Lewis <edlewis(a)arin.net> Suggested reading: http://www.read of ipe.net/ripe/mail-archives/dns-wg/2003/msg00122.html 2.4 Root servers Unknown 2.5 IDN deployment / experience Unknown 2.6 DNSSEC deployment / experience Unknown 2.7 Anycast deployment / experience 2.7.1 Dave Knight 2.7 CENTR Technical committee Unknown 2.8 DNS Software 2.8.1 Bind Unknown 2.8.2 OpenReg Unknown 2.9 IPv6 deployment / experience Unknown [3] Special invited (longer) presentation (30 min) 3.1 RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net> [4] Temporary items (15 min each) 4.1 Use of DNS for SPAM prevention Note: This is not to be a spam discussion, but more a heads-up on the various mechanisms which exists and are discussed for example in the anti-spam research group in the IETF. Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. <amitchell(a)habeas.com>

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