Re: 2nd Root Server in Europe (fwd)
LINX policy, which was endorsed at the two recent IEPG meetings, is that the proposed root server would be in the LINX neutral AS
This is was was discussed at the IEPG meeting, and the concensus was that "common resources" should be attached to public exchange points trough a dedicated router in a neutral way. Shared resources has to bee keept as neutral as possible, and having for example a root-name-server behind it's own router attached to a well recogized public exchange point seems to be the best avaliable implementation today. Thus all ISP's present at that echange point could peer, regardless of their peering policies to other ISP's and as there is no other service than the nameserver is behind that router, and I'm sure all of them (the ISP's peering) will give transit for the prefix used by the nameserver to other parts of the network. --Peter
On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Peter Lothberg wrote:
This is was was discussed at the IEPG meeting, and the concensus was that "common resources" should be attached to public exchange points trough a dedicated router in a neutral way.
Shared resources has to bee keept as neutral as possible, and having for example a root-name-server behind it's own router attached to a well recogized public exchange point seems to be the best avaliable implementation today.
This is in fact exactly the physical arrangement that we have proposed: a root name server on its own class C one hop off the LINX. And the UK Internet Service Providers Asssociation (http://www.ispa.org) is as neutral an organisation as the LINX -- in fact arguably more so. ISPA draws its membership from the entire UK Internet community, whereas LINX's membership rules are quite restrictive. This should not be overemphasized; there is a considerable overlap in membership between the two organisations. Like many other networks, VBCnet belongs to both.
Thus all ISP's present at that echange point could peer, regardless of their peering policies to other ISP's and as there is no other service than the nameserver is behind that router, and I'm sure all of them (the ISP's peering) will give transit for the prefix used by the nameserver to other parts of the network.
We agree with this entirely. To repeat what may not be clear to those added to the lengthening CC: list, some time ago, after securing the endorsement of the UK ISPA, VBCnet approached IANA on behalf of ISPA with an offer to provide and manage a root name server at the LINX. We sent an engineer to California to discuss this with Paul Vixie, who operates one of the root name servers and is responsible for the software. We intend to follow Vixie's recommendations on hardware, software, and the way in which the root name server is attached to the LINX, which is in fact as you have described above. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015
Jim Dixon wrote:
Thus all ISP's present at that echange point could peer, regardless of their peering policies to other ISP's and as there is no other service than the nameserver is behind that router, and I'm sure all of them (the ISP's peering) will give transit for the prefix used by the nameserver to other parts of the network.
We agree with this entirely. To repeat what may not be clear to those added to the lengthening CC: list, some time ago, after securing the endorsement of the UK ISPA, VBCnet approached IANA on behalf of ISPA
I'm sorry but there isn't and never has been any requirement to enforce peering at any exchange point other then for instance CIX. VBC by housing a valuable resource are saying in effect 'yes you can use this root server if you peer with us'. This is not really acceptable. Regards --Tony
On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Tony Barber wrote:
We agree with this entirely. To repeat what may not be clear to those added to the lengthening CC: list, some time ago, after securing the endorsement of the UK ISPA, VBCnet approached IANA on behalf of ISPA
I'm sorry but there isn't and never has been any requirement to enforce peering at any exchange point other then for instance CIX. VBC by housing a valuable resource are saying in effect 'yes you can use this root server if you peer with us'. This is not really acceptable.
This is a complete misreading of what we have said. On the one hand we peer with everyone at the LINX, with one exception, MITE, whose routes we already see through GSL. We have told MITE that if and when they have routes that are not visible through them, we will peer with them. So we aren't forcing anyone to do anything. On the other hand, following recommendations to us, our intention is to put a root name server in a class C by itself. There has been a lot of discussion in this area, and this is what I understand to be the recommended policy. We don't care what AS this class C is in; on the whole we would probably prefer that it not be in one of our ASs. -- Jim Dixon VBCnet GB Ltd http://www.vbc.net tel +44 117 929 1316 fax +44 117 927 2015
On the other hand, following recommendations to us, our intention is to put a root name server in a class C by itself. There has been a lot of discussion in this area, and this is what I understand to be the recommended policy. We don't care what AS this class C is in; on the whole we would probably prefer that it not be in one of our ASs.
At the risk of AOL-ism, I too prefer the consensus agreement reached by all the LINX members who were at the AGM. Just because all LINX members currently peer with VBC, this does not mean that new members will be allowed to, want to, or that current members will continue to be allowed to / continue to want to. As I understand it, the latest IETF & IEPG proposals suggest that the servers should be at exchange points transitted by several people and run in a neutral manner (apologies if this a misrepresentation), not transitted by a single member, albeit from a point close to an IXP. As far as I know the LINX proposal has always been on the table modulo the issue of whether .com etc. where secondaried there as well as '.' and the transit bandwidth implications thereof. Alex Bligh Xara Networks
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