Re: [lir-wg] Important Informational Message - root.zone change
This is of course true, but it doesn't mean you should wait 5 years.
Not updating you hints is not going to cause you any grief but it is good practice to keep it up to date when it changes.
JC
Indeed. I always prefer to deal early with 5-year time bombs! 8-) Niall
----- Original Message ----- From: <Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie> To: "John Crain" <crain@icann.org> Cc: "'RIPE DNS WG'" <dns-wg@ripe.net>; "'RIPE LIR WG'" <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Important Informational Message - root.zone change
This is of course true, but it doesn't mean you should wait 5 years.
Not updating you hints is not going to cause you any grief but it is good practice to keep it up to date when it changes.
JC
Indeed. I always prefer to deal early with 5-year time bombs! 8-)
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt 3:119 IE (IRELAND) Don't worry, it does not take 5 years for the new DNS software to remove your TLD. With no IN-ADDR.IE zone, it is easy to spot the ones slated to be phased out. http://www.analogx.com/cgi-bin/cgidig.exe?DNS=205.214.45.10&Query=in-addr.ie&Type=255&submit=Lookup With so few "slots" open in the legacy root servers, only a limited number of TLDs can be supported. Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... COM...DE...NET...ORG...INFO...BIZ...US...ONLINE http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee http://ipv8.community.net.au
On 2002-11-05T11:13:52, Jim Fleming <JimFleming@ameritech.net> said:
With no IN-ADDR.IE zone, it is easy to spot the ones slated to be phased out. http://www.analogx.com/cgi-bin/cgidig.exe?DNS=205.214.45.10&Query=in-addr.ie&Type=255&submit=Lookup
With so few "slots" open in the legacy root servers, only a limited number of TLDs can be supported.
Can you translate that to English please? Sincerely, Lars Marowsky-Brée -- Principal Squirrel SuSE Labs - Research & Development, SuSE Linux AG "If anything can go wrong, it will." "Chance favors the prepared (mind)." -- Capt. Edward A. Murphy -- Louis Pasteur
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars Marowsky-Bree" <lmb@in-addr.de> To: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@Ameritech.Net> Cc: "'RIPE DNS WG'" <dns-wg@ripe.net>; "'RIPE LIR WG'" <lir-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [lir-wg] Important Informational Message - root.zone change
On 2002-11-05T11:13:52, Jim Fleming <JimFleming@ameritech.net> said:
With no IN-ADDR.IE zone, it is easy to spot the ones slated to be phased out. http://www.analogx.com/cgi-bin/cgidig.exe?DNS=205.214.45.10&Query=in-addr.ie&Type=255&submit=Lookup
With so few "slots" open in the legacy root servers, only a limited number of TLDs can be supported.
Can you translate that to English please?
"Experts" have apparently been paid (or had their arms twisted) to lie to the U.S. Government and tell them that the 32-bit legacy root servers are under attack, are over-loaded, etc. and can only handle a limited number of TLDs. That of course has been orchestrated by the lobbyists who do not want more TLDs, for obvious reasons. Since obviously it is easy to show an ASCII zone file to any clueless politician and explain how it can have a lot of entries, the "experts" turn to the operational mysteries of the DNS and claim the sky will fall if the roots are over-loaded with "traffic" resulting from new TLDs. Given that things are working, it is hard for the experts to claim that a couple hundred TLDs do not work. 256 is a good number at the moment. Of course, as the need arises to have less and less TLDs, because of the fictitious load and operational concerns, that 256 will have to be reduced, as existing TLDs are removed. The same mentality can of course be used to show that ultimately, only one operating system can be supported or only one computer language. The lobbyists will not likely stop until they have reduced the TLDs to something they can understand and control. Starting at 256 it might seem that they would work down one by one. It seems more likely with the current climate that they would go for broke and declare that only TLDs with signed contracts can remain. Certainly, signed contracts, and $1 per domain, per year, fees will help to make those operational and load concerns vanish. It looks like there are less than 32 TLDs with signed contracts and money flowing to the right people. What 32 TLDs do you think should be in the legacy root servers ? Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... COM...DE...NET...ORG...INFO...BIZ...US...ONLINE http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee http://ipv8.community.net.au
----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars Marowsky-Bree" <lmb@in-addr.de>
With so few "slots" open in the legacy root servers, only a limited number of TLDs can be supported.
Can you translate that to English please?
By the way, there are other solutions to the aging legacy 32-bit roots. One solution is to have PKs and GKs point directly to the TLD Clusters. Some top-down-mentality-thinkers can not grasp how that could work. For them, a modified version of the no-root approach is to have "the root" formed by selected "Seed TLDs", and then those TLD Clusters can be queried about the location of other TLD Clusters. You can visualize it as a ring, where in this example, COM and ONLINE are next to each other. Each TLD below, contributes a Cluster of servers. All of the servers in all of these TLDs could be viewed as "the root"... COM...DE...NET...ORG...INFO...BIZ...US...ONLINE Jim Fleming 128-bit DNS is closer than you think... http://ipv8.dyndns.tv http://ipv8.dyns.cx http://ipv8.no-ip.com http://ipv8.no-ip.biz http://ipv8.no-ip.info http://ipv8.myip.us http://ipv8.dyn.ee http://ipv8.community.net.au
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, at 17:00 [=GMT-0000], Niall.oReilly@ucd.ie wrote:
This is of course true, but it doesn't mean you should wait 5 years.
Not updating you hints is not going to cause you any grief but it is good practice to keep it up to date when it changes.
JC
Indeed. I always prefer to deal early with 5-year time bombs! 8-)
Secondary root from one of the few root-servers.net that allow axfr? f (Vixie) does. One or two others too.
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