Re: [ipv6-wg] Have we failed as IPv6 Working Group?
Folks, I've been out of the ISP business for a while now, but may I make some observations: Many of the major content providers are IPv6-enabled. The question is for end users, how to use IPv6 to access these services. In the Netherlands, there is no mobile operator providing IPv6 connectivity. None! I cannot get IPv6 on my mobile connection! Also, in the Netherlands, the one Internet-to-home provider providing dual-stack IPv6 (w/o NAT mess) is being assimilated by it's parent who, after twenty-five years, is still technologically behind and can't deliver IPv6 themselves. The mitigation to get IPv6 access for endusers who can't get IPv6 from their provider (sixxs.net) closed doors two year ago. I am not aware of any VPN-provider offering IPv6 service to allow endusers to augment the limited offering from their service provider. It isn't a matter of "switch to a provider who has", for endusers, there is *nothing to choose from*. We can do all kinds of exercises (IPv6-only event networks, eat-your-own-dogfood exercises), but there must be reasons for having a business case for not providing IPv6 to end users. Perhaps they are non-technical, but reasons they are; if there would be a business case, people would be doing it. And perhaps these (non-technical?) reasons should be something the WG can look at. A fair number of members of this WG are related to the ISP industry and perhaps can shine some light as to the "why don't you" for access providers? Geert Jan
In your letter dated Tue, 8 Oct 2019 12:56:15 +0200 you wrote:
In the Netherlands, there is no mobile operator providing IPv6 connectivity. None! I cannot get IPv6 on my mobile connection!
KPN announced last week (September 30) that they started providing mobile customers with IPv6. They seem quite careful, so it may take a while before they enable it everywhere.
Also, in the Netherlands, the one Internet-to-home provider providing dual-stack IPv6 (w/o NAT mess) is being assimilated by it's parent who, after twenty-five years, is still technologically behind and can't deliver IPv6 themselves.
As far as I know, KPN does have some IPv6 on DSL. Both Ziggo and KPN provide IPv6 with some sort of carrier grade NAT for IPv4. But it should be easy enough to obtain real IPv4 elsewhere...
Geert Jan de Groot, Geert Jan de Groot wrote on 08/10/2019 12:56:
In the Netherlands, there is no mobile operator providing IPv6 connectivity. None!
That is technically _not_ true any-more. KPN *very recently* - 9/30/2019 - published information they are going to begin enabling v6 for mobile customers.[0][1][2][3] -- Chriztoffer [0]: https://twitter.com/internetthought/status/1178615698727346176 [1]: https://www.telecompaper.com/news/kpn-starts-moving-customers-to-ipv6--13105... [2]: https://www.google.com/search?q=ipv6%20kpn%20mobile%20customer%20september%2... [3]: https://forum.kpn.com/mobiele-diensten-18/ipv6-voor-het-mobiele-netwerk-4796...
Hi,
Geert Jan de Groot wrote on 08/10/2019 12:56:
In the Netherlands, there is no mobile operator providing IPv6 connectivity. None!
That is technically _not_ true any-more.
KPN *very recently* - 9/30/2019 - published information they are going to begin enabling v6 for mobile customers.[0][1][2][3]
Eagerly awaiting IPv6 on PDP_IP0 here :) PDP_IP1 (which is used for VoLTE) is already IPv6-only. Cheers, Sander
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CHRIZTOFFER HANSEN | NETRAVNEN
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Geert Jan de Groot
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Philip Homburg
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Sander Steffann