[ipv6-wg@ripe.net] Re: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE 50 Report
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:09:07PM +0200, Nick Hyrka wrote:
IPV6 WORKING GROUP
- It was decided that the RIPE Whois Database will continue to include more services that run in native IPv6.
Hm?
- It was noted that the IPv6 Working Group needs to decide where it wishes to house the new, operational IPv6 mailing list.
What are you talking about here? What "new, operational IPv6 mailing list" are you referring to? What has the RIPE IPv6 Working Group to do with it? I have some suspicion that this is a reference to Ulrich Kiermayr's comment? Please clarify. Regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:09:07PM +0200, Nick Hyrka wrote:
IPV6 WORKING GROUP
- It was decided that the RIPE Whois Database will continue to include more services that run in native IPv6.
Hm?
Right now the Whois server answers queries through a proxy. The server will answer IPv6 itself, and the proxy terminated. Also, there is no IPv6 mirroring facility. This will be added. -- Shane
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote:
IPV6 WORKING GROUP
- It was decided that the RIPE Whois Database will continue to include more services that run in native IPv6.
Hm?
Right now the Whois server answers queries through a proxy. The server will answer IPv6 itself, and the proxy terminated.
Also, there is no IPv6 mirroring facility. This will be added.
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. This makes (much) sense. :-) Best regards, daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Daniel, On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 09:22:53PM +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Shane Kerr wrote:
IPV6 WORKING GROUP
- It was decided that the RIPE Whois Database will continue to include more services that run in native IPv6.
Hm?
Right now the Whois server answers queries through a proxy. The server will answer IPv6 itself, and the proxy terminated.
Also, there is no IPv6 mirroring facility. This will be added.
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. This makes (much) sense. :-)
Despite this explanation, I still don't understand how this can make any sense. We as the working group have no authority to tell the RIPE NCC what to do or not to do. At best we can recommend to the RIPE NCC to take a certain approach and this approach will in general be followed if there is no/little funding required, or otherwise, *if* the RIPE NCC membership agrees on funding such work. In addition, we did not in any way make such a recommendation. We discussed the issue and some people expressed their opinion that we want more than just a proxy service but we did not formally adopted a recommendation (since nobody asked to formally adopt such a recommendation). I am personally glad to hear that the RIPE NCC decided to make the mirroring service available in ipv6 though! Also, I appreciate that we don't have to formally adopt such recommendations as I think it makes for a much better working relationship where the RIPE NCC takes the initiative and picks up on ideas and discussions that happen in the working group without having to formally request the RIPE NCC to do so (policy issues are obviously a completely different matter!). On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 09:22:53PM +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote:
- It was noted that the IPv6 Working Group needs to decide where it - wishes to house the new, operational IPv6 mailing list.
What are you talking about here? What "new, operational IPv6 mailing list" are you referring to? What has the RIPE IPv6 Working Group to do with it?
Again, the working group didn't decide this. It was brought up that a new mailing list was formed and we received several comments on this topic. Among others that it might not be ideal to have such a list being run by an enthiustic individual as it is important to keep mailarchives preserved even if the individual moves on to pursue other interests. However, this was a comment from the audience, not a decision by the working group. In relation to this topic, I just noticed that the working group website page now mentions:
There is also a global mailing list (not regional RIR/NOG) dedicated to operational matters of the global IPv6 (production, not 6BONE) Internet at:
http://lists.cluenet.de/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-ops/
If you are taking part in IPv6 BGP or are interested in global IPv6 operational matters, please join the list. The purpose is to foster exchange of experience and resolve problems which require non-local coordination. The list is also available to discuss problems people face while deploying IPv6.
I did not request the RIPE NCC to put this information on the website neither did the working endorse this mailing list in any form or way. David Kessens ipv6 wg chair ---
Hi David, On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 03:31:40PM -0700, David Kessens wrote:
What are you talking about here? What "new, operational IPv6 mailing list" are you referring to? What has the RIPE IPv6 Working Group to do with it?
Again, the working group didn't decide this. It was brought up that a new mailing list was formed and we received several comments on this topic. Among others that it might not be ideal to have such a list being run by an enthiustic individual as it is important to keep mailarchives preserved even if the individual moves on to pursue other interests. However, this was a comment from the audience, not a decision by the working group.
Yep, this is exactly my understanding what happenend, too (I watched the "web"cast but had no chance to react as the stream had too much delay). I'm still surprised about such a concern, given that ipv6-ops is not at all "mission critical", and other much more "mission critical" lists like nsp-sec are (at least while I was subscribed) also run by "enthusiastic individuals". If anyone wants to mirror the archives I have no problem with that at all. Actually, someone already set up archival at GMANE on 2005-04-18: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.ipv6 so the public off-site archive is already there.
In relation to this topic, I just noticed that the working group website page now mentions:
There is also a global mailing list (not regional RIR/NOG) dedicated to operational matters of the global IPv6 (production, not 6BONE) Internet at:
http://lists.cluenet.de/mailman/listinfo/ipv6-ops/
If you are taking part in IPv6 BGP or are interested in global IPv6 operational matters, please join the list. The purpose is to foster exchange of experience and resolve problems which require non-local coordination. The list is also available to discuss problems people face while deploying IPv6.
I did not request the RIPE NCC to put this information on the website neither did the working endorse this mailing list in any form or way.
Me neither. RIPE NCC did notify me a few weeks ago that they did add a reference. It wasn't done on my request. Best regards, Daniel -- CLUE-RIPE -- Jabber: dr@cluenet.de -- dr@IRCnet -- PGP: 0xA85C8AA0
Hi, On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 02:53:20PM +0200, Daniel Roesen wrote:
- It was noted that the IPv6 Working Group needs to decide where it wishes to house the new, operational IPv6 mailing list.
What are you talking about here? What "new, operational IPv6 mailing list" are you referring to? What has the RIPE IPv6 Working Group to do with it?
I have some suspicion that this is a reference to Ulrich Kiermayr's comment?
There was some concern that "maybe some day" cluenet.de wouldn't be able to host the ipv6-ops mailing list any more - you being a single person, and no "organization" backing it. I think this is what is being referred to. No specific actions have been decided (as far as I can remember, but that was Friday, after a long week... :-) ), it was more a generic "worry", and I think the NCC offered to host the list if needed. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 71007 (66629) SpaceNet AG Mail: netmaster@Space.Net Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Tel : +49-89-32356-0 D- 80807 Muenchen Fax : +49-89-32356-234
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