-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Ziv, You are correct. End Users of "orphaned" Internet number resources will have the choice to either sign a contract with a sponsoring LIR or with the RIPE NCC. However, "Contractual Requirements for Provider Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region" states: "The preferred model of the RIPE community is for End Users to have a contractual relationship with a sponsoring LIR instead of directly with the RIPE NCC." End Users signing a contract with the RIPE NCC will be charged a one-time Administration fee and an annual Maintenance fee as according to: http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/procedure-enduser.html With regards to AS numbers and other Internet number resources assigned to organisations in the AfriNIC service region, those have been transferred or are in the process of being transferred to AfriNIC. They do not fall under the policy implementation "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC". For more information, please see: http://ripe.net/projects/erx/transferred.html I hope this clarifies. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Andrea Cima RIPE NCC Ziv Leyes wrote:

Thanks Hank for the question, I was about to ask the same and thanks Andrea for the answers. I want to make sure I understood, the "orphaned" resources, such as ASNUM for instance, will be able to contact and sign a contract directly with RIPE? If yes, then why will any of them opt to sign with a LIR if they can be fully independent and work directly with RIPE? What happens with some ASNUMs that are nowadays belonging to the Afrinic geographical zone? Is it possible to "transfer" an ASNUM resource from RIPE to Afrinic or any other? Thanks, Ziv

-----Original Message----- From: members-discuss-admin@ripe.net [mailto:members-discuss-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Cima Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:28 PM To: Hank Nussbacher Cc: members-discuss@ripe.net Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Re: [ncc-announce] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2010

Dear Hank,

The main focus points of Phase 2 of this policy implementation are to ensure there is a contract in place between End Users and their sponsoring LIR, and allowing LIRs to exclude from their 2010 billing fee independent Internet number resources linked to End Users that are not customers of the LIR.

As you mention, resources of End Users who do not have a contract in place with an LIR or with the RIPE NCC by 31 December 2009 will be considered "orphaned".

The RIPE NCC will start contacting the End Users of those independent Internet number resources in 2010 (Phase 3 of the policy implementation), asking them to sign a contract either with a sponsoring LIR or with the RIPE NCC. The exact timeline will depend on the number of "orphaned" resources. We are currently preparing different scenarios based on current statistics.

A procedure for "orphaned" End User resources with regards to timelines and (de-)registration details will be published in advance.

If you have any further feedback or questions, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards,

Andrea Cima RIPE NCC

Hank Nussbacher wrote:

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At 16:05 13/07/2009 +0200, Axel Pawlik wrote:

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Can someone point me to the docs in regards to what happens to resources a LIR marks as "not my customer"? According to http://www.ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html on Dec 31, 2009 RIPE will consider those resources as orphans and contact the end users. What happens then? How long does the end user have to sign on with RIPE? At what point will RIPE revoke the allocations? Is there a doc on that entire procedure and timeline we can give customers?

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Regards, Hank

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Dear Colleagues,

The RIPE NCC has formulated a Draft Charging Scheme 2010 that will take into account the requirements of policy proposal 2007-01, "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", and the discussions that took place at the RIPE NCC General Meeting in May 2009 regarding the 2010 Charging Scheme.

The proposed Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is now available to view at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/billing/draft-charging-scheme-2010.html

Membership discussion of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 proposal can take place at <members-discuss@ripe.net>.

The RIPE NCC Executive Board will monitor discussion and input from the RIPE NCC membership before publishing a final version of the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 by 9 September 2009. The RIPE NCC membership will vote on this version at the RIPE NCC General Meeting on 7 October 2009.

The RIPE NCC notes that this proposal for the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 is subject to change based on advice from the RIPE NCC's lawyers on tax and legal issues.

For more information, please see the Draft Charging Scheme 2010 FAQs: http://www.ripe.net/info/faq/membership/charging-scheme.html

Best regards,

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