August 2003 - ncc-services-wg

Re: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE tasks
by Axel Pawlik 14 Aug '03

14 Aug '03

Neill, all, First of all I must say that I like the fact that the new RIPE NCC Services Working Group obviously is taking off :-) With regard to the repeatedly stated opinion that the RIPE NCC management, and the RIPE NCC Executive Board are unaware of the members' opinions, and needs, I am convinced that those members of the community who have followed the events, presentations and planning discussions of the last year (from the conduct of the membership survey 2003, the move of the General Meeting to the Friday of the RIPE Meeting, and through to the proposal of the Activity Plan and other documents in preparation of that General Meeting), know full well that we are very aware of these concerns, and that actions continue to be proposed, and are taken where approved, to adjust activities to the expressed need of RIPE NCC members and stakeholders. The existence of this Working Group and mailing list in itself is just one minor outcome. The point of "Just Registration Service" is moot. As we all now, the industry has changed. Well, actually the running of a geeks' network instead of the politically correct technology has *become* the industry before that. And thus has attracted all sorts of people, politicians, lawyers, bureaucrats, the lot. We cannot go back to the old days of just registering numbers. The risk is high that one day we would awake to the ITU doing Internet Governance. "Please see your local MP to effect a change in IP allocation policy, to be discussed at the next plenipotentiary of the ITU." We need to do more, to establish the RIPE NCC in the minds of politicians, journalists, "the public" as a trustworthy place you can turn to to gain insight in the operations of the Internet. About the RIPE meetings: They are crucially important to the functioning of the RIPE NCC, and of industry self regulation. Yes, they should be self supporting, but they aren't fully. Can we raise the meeting fees? Of course. But we need to balance this very carefully, as we cannot run the risk of eating into attendance numbers too much. regards, Axel

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E-mail list removeal
by Mark Brett 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

Please remove mark(a)brett.com from allo f your lists asap. Thanks. Mark Mark Brett Tel: 0208 529 8614 Mobile: 07720 101 733 PO Box 6733. Chingford, London. E4 8UD

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RIPE NCC Services
by Chris Hallam 13 Aug '03

13 Aug '03

Stephen Burley wrote: All of which the NCC do well and should be commended, anything else is surplus to requirement there is one other thing the NCC has never done and never fully justified and that is a help desk you can talk to. Other RIR's do it. I think it helps cut away the sterile faceless image and lets you see what you are getting for your money - discuss === I think the inclusion of a telephone help desk service would benefit a lot of members. I imagine it would be difficult to implement due to the number of bilingual staff that would be required. This would therefore require substantial funding which would probably affect member fees. In addition, most of the actual processes would have to remain based on the email system. Even so, if the operational scope was clearly defined it would be useful for help, advice, and a reliable point of contact. Chris ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. **********************************************************************

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RE: [ncc-services-wg] Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: ICANN vs RIPE N CC, was Re: Summary of the PI ......
by Mike Norris 12 Aug '03

12 Aug '03

I agree fully with you, Daniele. Mike Norris -----Original Message----- From: ncc-services-wg-admin(a)ripe.net [mailto:ncc-services-wg-admin@ripe.net]On Behalf Of Bovio(a)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 9:21 AM To: address-policy-wg(a)ripe.net; ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: ICANN vs RIPE NCC, was Re: Summary of the PI ...... In a message dated 11/08/03 17:51:19 W. Europe Daylight Time, daniel.karrenberg(a)ripe.net writes: I have not stopped listening to concrete ideas about improving the RIPE NCC. I am still here at the RIPE NCC working and listening. Of course the bureaucratic developments you sneer at *do* happen to some degree. This is inevitable and both you and I know it. The ability of individuals like you and me to influence things immediately and directly is reduced. Of course I personally I do not agree with all things the RIRs do and more often I do not agree with *how* things are done. What seems to divide us is that I still work to improve the 'least of all evils' structure and you sneer at it providing no alternative. I would hope that more people will chose the former instead of the latter. I also hope that people still see the relative mertis and the differences in legitimacy that exist between the various organisations. Sneering at the RIPE NCC without suggesting either alternatives or improvements does not help. I stand 100% with Daniel here. I can't speak for the others RIRs but I strongly believe the RIPE-NCC has made significant efforts in the recent past to listen to its membership, streamline procedures, and positively react to constructive criticism. There is more work to do, no doubt about it, but I can't see how flaming on mailing lists helps. Whomever has concrete ideas: I propose we move this discussion to the ncc-services-wg list/group, that was created exactly for this purpose. Daniele

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RIR statistics on IPv6 allocations
by Membership Liaison Officer 06 Aug '03

06 Aug '03

Dear Colleagues, Recently, interest has been expressed for having RIR Statistics published by the RIPE NCC include IPv6 allocation data. This data is now published daily under the following directory: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/stats/new/ Please note that the format of the file is subject to change, as there are ongoing discussions on a common format between the four RIRs. Regards, Sabrina Wilmot -------------------------------------------------- Membership Liaison Officer <contact(a)ripe.net> Tel +31 20 535 4444 http://www.ripe.net/ Fax +31 20 535 4445 RIPE Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC) P.O. Box 10096, 1001 EB Amsterdam, The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------- See you at the RIPE 46 Meeting 1-5 September, 2003, in Amsterdam, The Netherlands http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-46/index.html

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