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Draft NCC Services WG Minutes - RIPE 71
by Amanda Gowland 03 Feb '16

03 Feb '16

Hi Kurtis, Bijal, Hope you're having a relaxing holiday (Bijal especially!). Please find below the draft minutes from your last session. Please let me know if there are any corrections and if we can publish on the website. Many thanks, Amanda ---- RIPE NCC Services Working Group RIPE 71 18 November 2015, 16:00 local time WG co-Chairs: Kurtis Lindqvist, Bijal Sanghani (absent) Scribe: Emile Aben A. Administrative Matters Kurtis welcomed the room. B. IANA Update - Elise Gerich (IANA) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/58-IANA_RIPE_NOV2015.pptx There were no questions. C. RIPE NCC Outlook - Axel Pawlik (RIPE NCC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/121-RIPE-NCC-Outlook-2015-and-2016.pdf There were no questions. D. IETF Endowment Update - Jari Arkko (IETF) and Greg Kapfer (ISOC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/106-ripe_bucharest_ietf_endowment_v3.… Martin Levy (Cloudflare) asked if funding the IETF isn't already done through ISOC. Greg answered that IETF wants diversification in their funding sources. Jari acknowledged that. Martin responded that he doesn't support extra bureaucracy being thrown at anything. Nurani Nimpuno (Netnod) said she thought it to be a good thing to have diversification of funds, and interprets this proposal as a way of diversification, not necessarily increase of funds. Salam Yamout (RIPE NCC Executive Board) asked if the IETF is also looking for independence. Jari stated the goal is to broaden the financial support. The IETF will still need an organisational home. Greg added that there is a very good working relationship between IETF and ISOC, and stated that the proposal is a long-term endeavour. Daniel Karrenberg (as private person) asked about transparency in the proposal. He said he finds the current story to vague, and acknowledges IETF does great work. He mentioned ISOC being well funded so this is about ISOC setting priorities, and said that ISOC could put down the endowment itself. Jari provided details about budget. Regarding ISOC contribution, Jari said that that would likely increase. Greg detailed current ISOC funding, and said ISOC will always be investing in the IETF. Leah Symekher (ISC) asked how to expand participation for IETF and how to diversify the participation. Jari answered that IETF brings in fellows into the IETF meetings for this, and to build on participants who are interested long-term. He said IETF has multiple tools like the mentoring programme at the IETF to bring in new participants. Mirjam Kuehne (RIPE NCC) said the RIRs contribute membership money into ISOC specifically earmarked to support IETF and wondered what will happen with that. Greg said it's for IETF operating expenses, which is a different thing from the endowment proposal. Mohsen Souissi (as private person) asked Greg and Jari to write the proposal up so it's easy to decide on. Jari said that's a fair request, and will get it done. E. RIPE NCC Arbiters Process - Ondrej Sury (CZ.NIC) and Wilfried Woeber (University Vienna/ACOnet/VIX) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/57-Presentation-for-Arbiters-Panel-RI… Farzaneh Badii (University of Hamburg) asked if arbitration was not enforceable in court. Wilfried answered that the RIPE NCC doesn't have the mandate to enforce Farzaneh asked if the artiration then is non-binding. Wilfried clarified that it is binding for the RIPE NCC, but its no legal mechanism to enforce it in another party in a dispute. Ondrej thanked the ripe ncc secretariat. Nurani asked if there is a roll-over procedure for arbiters. Wilfried clarified that it is the responsibility of the RIPE NCC management or the general meeting, but there is no fixed mandate. F. RIPE NCC Operational Update - Andrew de la Haye (RIPE NCC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/128-COO-Update-final-RIPE71.pdf Radu-Adrian Feurdean (CCS) asked if the issues that were discussing this morning in the address policy working group should be discussed in the services working group or in the general meeting. Andrew responded that the general meeting is the right place. Nigel Titley (RIPE NCC Executive Board) confirmed that. G. RIPE NCC Services Developments - Alex Band (RIPE NCC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/113-ServicesWG-RIPE71.pdf There were no questions. H. Open Microphone Session There were no questions.

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Draft Minutes from WG session at RIPE 71
by Kurt Erik Lindqvist 03 Feb '16

03 Feb '16

All, please find the draft minutes of the RIPE71 session below. Please send any comments or corrections! Best regards, Lindqvist Kurt Erik kurtis(a)kurtis.pp.se ---- RIPE NCC Services Working Group RIPE 71 18 November 2015, 16:00 local time WG co-Chairs: Kurtis Lindqvist, Bijal Sanghani (absent) Scribe: Emile Aben A. Administrative Matters Kurtis welcomed the room. B. IANA Update - Elise Gerich (IANA) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/58-IANA_RIPE_NOV2015.pptx There were no questions. C. RIPE NCC Outlook - Axel Pawlik (RIPE NCC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/121-RIPE-NCC-Outlook-2015-and-2016.pdf There were no questions. D. IETF Endowment Update - Jari Arkko (IETF) and Greg Kapfer (ISOC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/106-ripe_bucharest_ietf_endowment_v3.… Martin Levy (Cloudflare) asked if funding the IETF isn't already done through ISOC. Greg answered that IETF wants diversification in their funding sources. Jari acknowledged that. Martin responded that he doesn't support extra bureaucracy being thrown at anything. Nurani Nimpuno (Netnod) said she thought it to be a good thing to have diversification of funds, and interprets this proposal as a way of diversification, not necessarily increase of funds. Salam Yamout (RIPE NCC Executive Board) asked if the IETF is also looking for independence. Jari stated the goal is to broaden the financial support. The IETF will still need an organisational home. Greg added that there is a very good working relationship between IETF and ISOC, and stated that the proposal is a long-term endeavour. Daniel Karrenberg (as private person) asked about transparency in the proposal. He said he finds the current story to vague, and acknowledges IETF does great work. He mentioned ISOC being well funded so this is about ISOC setting priorities, and said that ISOC could put down the endowment itself. Jari provided details about budget. Regarding ISOC contribution, Jari said that that would likely increase. Greg detailed current ISOC funding, and said ISOC will always be investing in the IETF. Leah Symekher (ISC) asked how to expand participation for IETF and how to diversify the participation. Jari answered that IETF brings in fellows into the IETF meetings for this, and to build on participants who are interested long-term. He said IETF has multiple tools like the mentoring programme at the IETF to bring in new participants. Mirjam Kuehne (RIPE NCC) said the RIRs contribute membership money into ISOC specifically earmarked to support IETF and wondered what will happen with that. Greg said it's for IETF operating expenses, which is a different thing from the endowment proposal. Mohsen Souissi (as private person) asked Greg and Jari to write the proposal up so it's easy to decide on. Jari said that's a fair request, and will get it done. E. RIPE NCC Arbiters Process - Ondrej Sury (CZ.NIC) and Wilfried Woeber (University Vienna/ACOnet/VIX) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/57-Presentation-for-Arbiters-Panel-RI… Farzaneh Badii (University of Hamburg) asked if arbitration was not enforceable in court. Wilfried answered that the RIPE NCC doesn't have the mandate to enforce Farzaneh asked if the artiration then is non-binding. Wilfried clarified that it is binding for the RIPE NCC, but its no legal mechanism to enforce it in another party in a dispute. Ondrej thanked the ripe ncc secretariat. Nurani asked if there is a roll-over procedure for arbiters. Wilfried clarified that it is the responsibility of the RIPE NCC management or the general meeting, but there is no fixed mandate. F. RIPE NCC Operational Update - Andrew de la Haye (RIPE NCC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/128-COO-Update-final-RIPE71.pdf Radu-Adrian Feurdean (CCS) asked if the issues that were discussing this morning in the address policy working group should be discussed in the services working group or in the general meeting. Andrew responded that the general meeting is the right place. Nigel Titley (RIPE NCC Executive Board) confirmed that. G. RIPE NCC Services Developments - Alex Band (RIPE NCC) The presentation is available at: https://ripe71.ripe.net/presentations/113-ServicesWG-RIPE71.pdf There were no questions. H. Open Microphone Session There were no questions.

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RIPE Policy Proposal 2016-01 Affects Legacy Internet Resource Holders
by Marco Schmidt 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

Dear colleagues, We just published RIPE Policy Proposal 2016-01, "Include Legacy Internet Resource Holders in the Abuse-c Policy", to the Anti-Abuse Working Group mailing list. The goal of this proposal is to extend RIPE Document ripe-563, "Abuse Contact Management in the RIPE Database", to Legacy Internet Resource Holders. As this proposal makes reference to the RIPE Policy, "RIPE NCC Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders", which was developed by the RIPE NCC Services Working Group, we would like to notify you. You can find the full proposal at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2016-01 We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to <anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net> before 26 February 2016. Regards, Marco Schmidt Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC

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[training] RIPE NCC Webinars - new dates
by Training Services 13 Jan '16

13 Jan '16

Dear colleagues, We are pleased to announce the launch of new dates for our Webinars. The RIPE NCC Webinars are live and take only one hour. You can interact with our trainers without leaving your desk. We focus on the topics and issues most important for LIRs. Register now at https://www.ripe.net/lir-services/training/e-learning/webinars Participation is limited to 20 people, so don't hesitate if you want to take part! If you have questions, please email <training(a)ripe.net>. We look forward to seeing you online. Kind regards, RIPE NCC Training Services

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RIPE NCC as escrow
by Max Tulyev 21 Dec '15

21 Dec '15

Hello All! I would like to ask (and may be start a policy proposal) either RIPE NCC has or plan to implement the escrow service for members? People from a lot of countries and companies buy and sell IPv4 address space now. As the price of that resource is high, cost of that deals raise to millions of Euros. So it is a bit scare and even danger to send some millions to some unknown company in doubtful place. Why RIPE NCC? 1. RIPE NCC is exactly that entity who do (or reject to do) the IPv4 transfer. Tha't the main point. RIPE NCC hostmasters using RIPE rules evaluate the request and papers for IP transfer. Most of all escrow companies don't even know what IP address is, and who is wrong or right in potential conflict based on IP transfer. 2. RIPE NCC itself has enough financial resources to garant that type of deals, even if this is several millions of Euros. 3. Unlike any other escrow agencies, RIPE NCC has maximum level of trust at both buying and selling IPv4 parties. How it can be realised? 1. Both parties agrees use RIPE NCC as escrow. 2. (optional) RIPE NCC pre-evaluate transfer request to find common mistakes or problems, like 24-month ban for transfer of already transferred resources, etc. 3. If all seems good for the first view, Buyer sends money to RIPE NCC. 4. RIPE NCC receives money and informs seller about it, and exact amount of money was received. 5. Buyer and Seller signs transfer contract and RIPE NCC hostmasters start to evaluate a transfer request. 6. If transfer fails for any reason (no signed contract, bad papers, etc), RIPE NCC returns payment to the Buyer. If transfer went good, RIPE NCC releases money to the Seller. I believe all members trade their IP resources will be happy to have that service! ;)

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New on RIPE Labs: Keeping the Registry Up to Date in a World of IPv4 Transfers
by Mirjam Kuehne 17 Dec '15

17 Dec '15

Dear colleagues, High quality registry data is important - even more so with the recent increase in address transfers and the exhaustion of the global IPv4 pool. This article explores how we will be enhancing our tools and processes to ensure the RIPE Registry remains up-to-date in this challenging environment: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/matt_parker/keeping-the-registry-up-to-date Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC

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[service] New RIPE NCC PGP Key
by Andrea Cima 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Dear Colleagues, On Wednesday, 6 January 2016 we will start using our 2016 key to sign e-mails from our ticketing system. The new key has been signed by the old key as described in the key-management policy on our web site: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/contact/pgp-authentication The old key remains valid until Monday, 1 February 2016. If you have any questions about this, please contact <ops(a)ripe.net>. Kind Regards, Andrea Cima Manager Registration Services RIPE NCC

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[training] RIPE NCC Training Courses January-March 2016
by Training Services 07 Dec '15

07 Dec '15

Dear colleagues, Our training team travels the RIPE NCC service region to deliver training courses to our members without any additional cost. Over the next few months, we'll be in Amsterdam, London, Toulouse, Prague, Baku, St. Petersburg, Helsinki, Vilnius, Chisinau, Bishkek. Visit the following page to register and to check which training courses we are giving in your area: https://lirportal.ripe.net/training/courses The RIPE NCC delivers the following training courses: - LIR Training Course - RIPE Database Training Course - Basic IPv6 Training Course - DNSSEC Training Course - 2 days Advanced IPv6 Training Course - 2 days BGP Operations and Security Training Course For more information visit: https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses With kind regards, Rumy Spratley-Kanis Training Services Manager

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Really updated Agenda
by Kurt Erik Lindqvist 17 Nov '15

17 Nov '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, last addition to the agenda. === Date: Wednesday 18 November 2015 Time: 16.00 - 17.45 Chair: Kurtis Lindqvist Co-Chair: Bijal Sanghani A. Administrative Matters (5 minutes) Welcome Select a scribe Finalise agenda Approve minutes from RIPE 70 https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/services/minutes/ripe-70-ripe-n cc-services-working-group-minutes B. IANA Update (10 mins) Elise Gerich B. RIPE NCC Outlook (20 mins) Axel Pawlik C. IETF Endowment update (10 mins) Jari Arkko D. RIPE NCC Arbiters process (10 mins) Ond?ej Surý and Wilfried Woeber E. RIPE NCC Operational Update (15 mins) Andrew de la Haye F. RIPE NCC Services developments (15 mins) Alex Band G. Open Microphone Session (5 minutes) Z. Any other business - -- Best regards, Lindqvist Kurt Erik kurtis(a)kurtis.pp.se -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlZLT20ACgkQAFdZ6xrc/t63FQCgm7bX0FvV0M5IoV6bWb/oN3ND ZjMAnAv2Tpg1/GeI6B9jMZznXvyJbPp4 =9FO1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Updated RIPE NCC-Services WG Agenda
by Kurt Erik Lindqvist 16 Nov '15

16 Nov '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 All, there as been an addition to the NCC-Services agenda, please see the latest version below === Date: Wednesday 18 November 2015 Time: 16.00 - 17.45 Chair: Kurtis Lindqvist Co-Chair: Bijal Sanghani A. Administrative Matters (5 minutes) Welcome Select a scribe Finalise agenda Approve minutes from RIPE 70 https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/services/minutes/ripe-70-ripe-n cc-services-working-group-minutes B. IANA Update (10 mins) Elise Gerich B. RIPE NCC Outlook (20 mins) Axel Pawlik C. IETF Endowment update (10 mins) Jari Arkko D. RIPE NCC Arbiters process (10 mins) Ond?ej Surý E. RIPE NCC Operational Update (15 mins) Andrew de la Haye F. RIPE NCC Services developments (15 mins) Alex Band G. Open Microphone Session (5 minutes) Z. Any other business - -- Best regards, Lindqvist Kurt Erik kurtis(a)kurtis.pp.se -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlZJ76AACgkQAFdZ6xrc/t6G/ACeM4s/QREIxfHqW29BNmWTGKXZ Wc4An3cH2BBJhvb4OGHQenbBjlnX0ti6 =8oms -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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