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Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 20
by Serhii Khomenko 22 Dec '22

22 Dec '22

I still will not get tired of being surprised at how naive people who live in civilized European countries. Although, maybe it's just a cynicism. 1. The only reason why we are discussing this topic (limiting the rights of Ukrainian companies) is the aggression of the russians. They are the only ones who can steal blocks of addresses in Ukraine, threatening the holders of Internet resources with death. Instead of punishing the aggressor, you implement restrictions on the victim of aggression. -- I assume that this is cynicism. 2. If you did not know, notary services are not for free. We are all Ukrainians now actively sponsoring the Armed Forces of Ukraine who are the only guarantor of the security of our companies. And instead of sending funds to strengthen the defense of Ukraine, you want to implement on us the obligation to pay an additional fees for the notary services. Thank you so much for your "support". -- 3. As we have already determined, the only reason for your concern and maniacal desire to violently protect the resources of Ukrainian companies is russians. Also, everyone knows that hundreds of thousands of russists came not only to Ukraine, but also to dozens of countries of the European Union. And they can do whatever they want on the territory of the EU: the Skripal case, the Litvinenko case etc. The only difference is that Ukrainians have learned how to mix them with the soil. European countries do not know how to do this. So your companies are more vulnerable to the russians. Why don't you change the RIPE policy to limit the rights for companies throughout the territory of RIPE? Why don't you want to oblige European companies to pay for notary services during transfers as well or stop any transfers through all the RIPE countries at all? -- Cynicism? Yes cynicism. 4. Why don't you want to implement a single effective way to protect all companies within the RIPE —- blocking all transfers to a single criminal -- the russians??? And it will not be necessary to impose restrictions of the rights and freedoms for the European companies. But you won't do that - too much money comes from russists to RIPE, and everyone knows it. - You know nothing about European values, unless these values are refined mercantile cynicism. IMPLEMENT YOUR RESTRICTIONS FOR russia NOT FOR UKRAINE!! Or implement the same new policy for the whole RIPE region otherwise it will be discrimination of Ukraine based on national origin. Kind regards, Serhii пн, 19 груд. 2022 р. о 14:47 <ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net> пише: > Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to > ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ncc-services-wg-owner(a)ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Sander Steffann) > 2. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Max Tulyev) > 3. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Olha Sira) > 4. Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks > (Hans Petter Holen) > 5. Re: Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks > (Sander Steffann) > 6. Re: Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks (Max Tulyev) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 14:50:06 +0100 > From: Sander Steffann <sander(a)steffann.nl> > To: Max Tulyev <president(a)ukraine.su> > Cc: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and > Lirs > Message-ID: <1CC41DBA-FB29-44BF-9142-17F268C35DF1(a)steffann.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Max, > > > Of course they will not reply. > > > > We are seeing now the finish of "afrinicization" of RIPE NCC. NCC is no > more community and consensus driving. They works on behalf on some "crystal > clear" government people, probably for free, but I'm not sure. > > Please keep such unfounded accusations to yourself > Sander > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:56:37 +0200 > From: Max Tulyev <president(a)ukraine.su> > To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and > Lirs > Message-ID: <5618df1b-1012-cd57-e7a0-1455c83193fa(a)ukraine.su> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > If I see no clear reason for some action, I will come up with the most > appropriate one. And it is not good for sure. Because it looks like this > I said. > > 19.12.22 15:50, Sander Steffann ????: > > Hi Max, > > > >> Of course they will not reply. > >> > >> We are seeing now the finish of "afrinicization" of RIPE NCC. NCC is no > more community and consensus driving. They works on behalf on some "crystal > clear" government people, probably for free, but I'm not sure. > > > > Please keep such unfounded accusations to yourself > > Sander > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 14:15:10 +0000 > From: Olha Sira <vasylevych(a)gmail.com> > To: "ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net" <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and > Lirs > Message-ID: > < > CAENpxnRwX2iSbMNig5i93SMDd_P99Sb3XY5WY07yEQk9zbu-Ug(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 1:38 PM Matthias Merkel < > matthias.merkel(a)staclar.com> > wrote: > > > Delays are expected, but it now seems like transfers are paused entirely. > > If this is not the case then perhaps the NCC should clarify? > > > > ? > > Matthias Merkel > > [image: Sent from Front] > > > > On December 19, 2022 at 2:37 PM GMT+1 > pbd.ripe.ncc.services.wg(a)urdn.com.ua > > wrote: > > > > Matthias Merkel <matthias.merkel(a)staclar.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Can we get any kind of official statement from the RIPE NCC on the > > > current status on this? > > > > The explanation for the extra delays was made on this mailing list by > > Hans Petter Holen on Wed, 2 Nov 2022: > > > > > As an immediate response, all transfer requests from Ukrainian > > > networks will be escalated to me until further notice. We will of > > > course continue to apply the highest levels of due diligence when > > > reviewing these requests. This will add some amount of delay, which > > > I think is entirely appropriate under the circumstances and given > > > the seriousness of the concerns that have been raised. > > > > > > However, if the delays would become too important, I suppose this > > decision should be reversed. > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > > your subscription options, please visit: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > > your subscription options, please visit: > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > >

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 23
by Serhii Khomenko 20 Dec '22

20 Dec '22

Hello to everyone, Let me clarify my point of view. As we have already found out — the russians are the only ones who can steal Internet resources from Ukrainian companies. !! The only correct solution is to block RU from all opportunities in both ways: to receive and to offer Internet resources. !! It can be a temporary solution - until the end of the war and the complete withdrawal of all russians from Ukrainian territories, including Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk regions. And don't say that it's not possible - RIPE has already made such restrictions for the whole country - Ukraine. What is the problem? Against Ukraine, RIPE NCC were not so afraid to act decisively and impose restrictions. > Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU LIRs. Do you mean that russians can steal resources by transferring them not to russian companies, but to European ones? Do you have such evidences that European companies are helping the criminal activities of russians? > Okay, but what territory of the UA at the time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely? Interesting things. Since 2014 russians occupied a huge part of Ukraine (Crimea, parts of Luhansk and Donetsk reg.) but RIPE didn't try to protect companies on occupied territories for more than 8 years. But now RIPE NCC would like to maniacally protect Ukrainian companies by blocking all transfers for all Ukraine. "I will kill you but protect you" — once again, thank you RIPE NCC very much for such "support" and "protection". Kind regards, Serhii > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 01:19:40 +0200 > From: Serg Galat <greysticky(a)gmail.com> > To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue > 20 > Message-ID: <91738161-33B7-479C-B73E-C0104913806B(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear colleague, > > To my mind you don't see the latest RIPE event. > Or didn't look carefully. > > I'm fully agree with point 1 of your speech. > That is, there is a problem. But there's no solution, or a legitimate > solution. > > Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU > LIRs. > Accept transfers from UA to UA? Okay, but what territory of the UA at the > time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely? > > And RIPE NCC is not blocking transfers by himself. The part of ua LIRs ask > NCC to do that. Temporarily. > Until this working group adopts the necessary changes to the relevant > polices. > > So no cynicism and naivety. Or something similar. That's if it's fair. > > > > > On 19 Dec 2022, at 23:09, Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I still will not get tired of being surprised at how naive people who > live in civilized European countries. Although, maybe it's just a cynicism. > > > > 1. The only reason why we are discussing this topic (limiting the rights > of Ukrainian companies) is the aggression of the russians. They are the > only ones who can steal blocks of addresses in Ukraine, threatening the > holders of Internet resources with death. > > Instead of punishing the aggressor, you implement restrictions on the > victim of aggression. > > -- I assume that this is cynicism. > > > > 2. If you did not know, notary services are not for free. We are all > Ukrainians now actively sponsoring the Armed Forces of Ukraine who are the > only guarantor of the security of our companies. And instead of sending > funds to strengthen the defense of Ukraine, you want to implement on us the > obligation to pay an additional fees for the notary services. Thank you so > much for your "support". > > > > -- > > > > 3. As we have already determined, the only reason for your concern and > maniacal desire to violently protect the resources of Ukrainian companies > is russians. > > > > Also, everyone knows that hundreds of thousands of russists came not > only to Ukraine, but also to dozens of countries of the European Union. And > they can do whatever they want on the territory of the EU: the Skripal > case, the Litvinenko case etc. The only difference is that Ukrainians have > learned how to mix them with the soil. European countries do not know how > to do this. So your companies are more vulnerable to the russians. Why > don't you change the RIPE policy to limit the rights for companies > throughout the territory of RIPE? Why don't you want to oblige European > companies to pay for notary services during transfers as well or stop any > transfers through all the RIPE countries at all? > > > > -- Cynicism? Yes cynicism. > > > > 4. Why don't you want to implement a single effective way to protect all > companies within the RIPE ?- blocking all transfers to a single criminal -- > the russians??? And it will not be necessary to impose restrictions of the > rights and freedoms for the European companies. > > But you won't do that - too much money comes from russists to RIPE, and > everyone knows it. > > > > - You know nothing about European values, unless these values are > refined mercantile cynicism. > > > > > > IMPLEMENT YOUR RESTRICTIONS FOR russia NOT FOR UKRAINE!! > > Or implement the same new policy for the whole RIPE region otherwise it > will be discrimination of Ukraine based on national origin. > > > > Kind regards, > > Serhii > > > >

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Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks
by Hans Petter Holen 20 Dec '22

20 Dec '22

Dear colleagues, I want to update you on measures to protect the resources of RIPE NCC members in Ukraine following my last email in October[1]. After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. The authority to implement this feature comes from a Board resolution that was passed at the 163rd RIPE NCC Executive Board Meeting on 14-15 December 2022. The effect of the resolution is that Members and End Users (represented by their sponsoring LIRs) will be allowed to request the prevention of their resources from being transferred for a period of six months. And all transfer requests from Ukraine, including the pending ones, will only be processed if accompanied by notarised supporting documents. We will contact all Ukrainian members with pending transfers to make sure they are aware of these requirements. And for members with pending transfers who wish to make them before the end of the year, we will not charge fees for 2023 if these extra requirements mean that the LIR accounts in question cannot be closed by the end of 2022. The Board made this resolution taking into account: - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting in October 2022 - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP) - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process. From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate from the RIPE community. It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a bankrupt company goes into liquidation. Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that describes what information our staff will ask for when handling requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be escalated to the Managing Director for approval. We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part of our efforts to protect their resources. As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict. Kind regards Hans Petter Holen Managing Director RIPE NCC [1] Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/2022-November/00366…

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] FW: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Andrii Shevchuk 19 Dec '22

19 Dec '22

Dear colleagues > After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to begin > implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal. This > will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including those in Ukraine, > on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to prevent their > resources from being transferred for a defined period. We expect > technical implementation to be completed before the end of the year. as for LIR Dataline LLC (ua.dataline), a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR Portal is enough for the LIR to be able to secure its resources and the resources of its clients from illegal transfer. Thanks. // With best regards, Andrii Shevchuk CEO DATALINE LLC of.705, Solomyanska sq., 2, Kyiv, 03035, Ukraine tel/fax +380 (44) 373-68-00 gsm +380 (67) 659-82-15 email as(a)dataline.ua web www.dataline.ua Вы писали 19 грудня 2022 р., 20:46:10: > -------- Исходное сообщение -------- > От: vs(a)liptel.net.ua > Дата: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) > Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > Тема: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs > Dear colleagues, > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > !!Not here in the working group.!! > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by vs＠liptel.net.ua 19 Dec '22

19 Dec '22

Dear colleagues, How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by ds＠eurolir.kiev.ua 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

hi this is a very good initiative I would like to participate in the voting От: <ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net> Кому: <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Отправлено: 18.12.2022 19:03 Тема: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 16 Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at ncc-services-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Yuri Varenitsa) 2. Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (pavel(a)hostmaster.kiev.ua) 3. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (??????? ??????????) 4. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (Sergey Myasoedov) 5. Re: Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs (??????? ??????????) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 From: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> To: "ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net" <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <24907a28-6c56-9992-1c2c-36bcd2955241(a)webber.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > Hi, > > *I agree to do a survey. * > > Kind regards, > Serhii > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > ? ?Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > ? ? !!Not here in the working group.!! > > ? ?The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if > you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also > caused several questions) > > ? ?It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country > and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. > Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > ? ?(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > ? ?I'm looking forward to your decision. > ? ?I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: yuri.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 4 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:25:44 +0200 From: pavel(a)hostmaster.kiev.ua To: "ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net" <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <627519373-4146(a)mail.bignet.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello Yes, it would be good to see a list or at least a percentage of people who really want to block resources. my intuition tells me, it will be very short. Pavel ????: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs ????: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 ??: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> ????: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > ? ? Hi, > > ? ? *I agree to do a survey. * > > ? ? Kind regards, > ? ? Serhii > > ? ? _______________________________________________________________________ > > ? ? Viktor Stoliarchuk > ? ? 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > ? ? Dear colleagues, > > ? ? How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > ? ? couple of people at the conference? > > ? ? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > ? ? thousands of companies. > > > ? ? I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > ? ? THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > ? ? ?? ?Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > ? ? ?? ? !!Not here in the working group.!! > > ? ? ?? ?The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > ? ? squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if > ? ? you are the New user. > > ? ? The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also > ? ? caused several questions) > > ? ? ?? ?It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country > ? ? and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. > ? ? Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > ? ? ?? ?(Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > ? ? ?? ?I'm looking forward to your decision. > ? ? ?? ?I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > ? ? Best regards, > ? ? Viktor Stoliarchuk > > ? ? -- > > ? ? To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 18:22:04 +0200 From: ??????? ?????????? <nikolay.maslianikov(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <CAP94h=2kZc+JvZNkzRfOuaY+q=49hRvBDR8OOywDocFBt3bWyQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello everyone, I support polling IPv4 objects holders. Using this way RIPE can really protect the interests of its customers. ??, 18 ???. 2022 ?. ? 13:34, Askochenskaya Alexandra <askoch(a)merezha.net>: > > Hello > > I totally agree. Everyone should have the possibility to vote and tell it's opinion, if we live in a democracy world, of course. > > -- > Best regards, Alexandra > > > > On 18.12.22 13:09, dem wrote: > > > I agree > > -------- ???????? ????????? -------- > ??: vs(a)liptel.net.ua > ????: 18.12.2022 10:39 (GMT+01:00) > ????: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net > ????: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 11:35:09 -0500 From: Sergey Myasoedov <sergey(a)devnull.ru> To: vs(a)liptel.net.ua, ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <B7A6F715-0FC5-459F-A90E-53ED5FD24033(a)devnull.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Viktor, I can?t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn?t be done for a single country. -- Best regards, Sergey Myasoedov > On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs(a)liptel.net.ua wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 19:02:48 +0200 From: ??????? ?????????? <nikolay.maslianikov(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Message-ID: <CAP94h=2mPqU7+e3vYdxuqZuGNEuwAoMKY8Z3vZXFN4Cf2yQcgg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" U r right, but do not limit the rights of clients of a single country while you are working on a security policy. ??, 18 ???. 2022 ?. ? 18:35, Sergey Myasoedov via ncc-services-wg <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net>: > > Hi Viktor, > > I can?t understand why do we need a _survey_ if we are working on policy. A policy shouldn?t be done for a single country. > > > -- > Best regards, > Sergey Myasoedov > > > On Dec 18, 2022, at 05:10, vs(a)liptel.net.ua wrote: > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? > > > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. > > > > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. > > > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) > > > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > > > Best regards, > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ End of ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue 16 ************************************************

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Eugene Shneider 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hi, am owner of network and i am supporting the idea of poll either to allow network transfers and want to participate in it.

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by pavel＠hostmaster.kiev.ua 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hello Yes, it would be good to see a list or at least a percentage of people who really want to block resources. my intuition tells me, it will be very short. Pavel Тема: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs Дата: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:06:21 +0200 От: Yuri Varenitsa <yuri(a)webber.net.ua> Кому: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Colleagues, I support the holding of a general vote between Ukrainian companies in order to be able to express their opinion on the issue of blocking. -- Kind regards, Yuri Varenytsa On 18.12.2022 14:32, Alexander Buzaev wrote: > Hello > > *I agree to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs, as well.* > > > -- > Alexander Buzaev > > > /18 December 2022, 14:29:29, by "Serhii Khomenko" > <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com <mailto:khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>>: / > > Hi, > > *I agree to do a survey. * > > Kind regards, > Serhii > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Viktor Stoliarchuk > 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET > > Dear colleagues, > > How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a > couple of people at the conference? > > RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with > thousands of companies. > > > I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. > > THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: > Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. > > !!Not here in the working group.!! > > The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only > squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if > you are the New user. > > The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also > caused several questions) > > It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country > and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. > Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. > > (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) > > I'm looking forward to your decision. > I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. > > Best regards, > Viktor Stoliarchuk > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > > > >

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Survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs
by Serhii Khomenko 18 Dec '22

18 Dec '22

Hi, *I agree to do a survey. * Kind regards, Serhii _______________________________________________________________________ Viktor Stoliarchuk 2022-12-18 11:10:45 CET Dear colleagues, How can you make decisions about the country, based on the words of a couple of people at the conference? RIPE NCC, in fact, imposed sanctions on the whole country Ukraine with thousands of companies. I urge you to do a survey among Ukrainian companies and Lirs. THE QUESTION HAS TO BE: Do _YOU_ support the initiative to block transfers. !!Not here in the working group.!! The workgroup is an outdated tool in which you can see only squabbles. There is no possibility to see the whole text of Issue, if you are the New user. The line _COUNTRY_ was added recently to the _ORG OBJECT_ ( which also caused several questions) It will not be difficult for RIPE NCC to make a selection by country and send a small survey (anonymous or not) to all Ukrainian companies. Do they want their resources to be blocked? Yes or No. (Whether they are in Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Odessa or Kyiv.) I'm looking forward to your decision. I also ask my colleagues to support the initiative. Best regards, Viktor Stoliarchuk

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(no subject)
by Yuri Demenin 16 Dec '22

16 Dec '22

Can you please explain why my blocks are blocked for the transfer? What should I give more? I need to transfer resources before the end of this year and this is vital for me !! I represent myself, not Tuliev or anyone else. I think we all have the right to dispose our resources by own choice, according RIPE policy of course. But now I feel like a prisoner. RIPE NCC doesn't give any explanation. Once again. I need to transfer resources till the end of the year.

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