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RIPE50 - NCC Services WG Draft Minutes
by Bijal Sanghani 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

Dear All, Please see draft minutes from the NCC Services Working Group at RIPE 50. Please send any questions, comments or clarifications to Kurtis, myself or this mailing list. regards, Bijal ---- RIPE NCC Services Working Group Agenda Date: Thursday, 5 May 2005 Time: 16:00 - 17:00 Room: Plenary Room A. Administrative Matters * Welcome * Select a Scribe * Distribute Participants List * Finalise Agenda * Approve Minutes: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/ncc-services/r49- minutes.html B. Report from the RIPE NCC - Axel Pawlik http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-serv- ncc-new.pdf Axel noted that the reporting on the RIPE NCC would not be repeated in the General Meeting, scheduled to take place at 17:00. Registration Services Training Engineering New Projects Coordination Communications Membership Relations External Relations There were no questions. C. New LIR Survey - Results and Feedback - Paul Rendek (RIPE NCC) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50- services-new-lir.pdf There were no questions. D. A New Version of the Hostcount http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-serv- hostcount.pdf RIPE NCC Timur requests feedback on the value of this service. Questions: Kurtis asks how many are using this whois data? Counts...yes, a few people using this data. Anyone has any comments about proposed changes? +/- 49 mins... Lars-Johan Liman (Netnod): Are you going to use this host query all over? Timur: Yes. Lars-Johan Liman - Netnod: Because I noticed some problems with some transfers. So it should be configured to provide one answer instead of many answers.... so this is about the zone transfer format. Timur: Thank you for this. We are going to review all the projects and maybe will modify the hostcount programme itself and maybe we should do a DNS as a backend which may be better. Peter: I want to respond on the remark made by the previous gentleman The host programme is showing its age and the sad fact is that the author has passed away a couple of years ago and the program itself has been orphaned. There are some problems in dealing with the new style referrals. It would be useful to have that located at a well- known place, one of which could be the RIPE NCC. And I would be willing to contribute. As before I didn't do the coding, but it would be useful to develop that not only for the host count, but for DNS debugging as well. Timur: Well, we promised to provide a DIY kit. We will come with a replacement on modified version of software. And your input would be much appreciated. Souissi Mohsen - AFNIC: I browsed through the site and randomly did some cctld's to find out about things. I was pleasantly surprised that there are detail on every cctld. But i am quite worried about the relevance of these figures. For example the zone count. if these figures are to be used somewhere maybe there is a column missing - the estimate of error. is there mathematical way to estimate that. And do a disclaimer for people using these figures? Timur: Well, there is a disclaimer there, Souissi Mohsen - AFNIC: Because the figures are, in some parts, very far from the reality Timur: We understand that, so that's why we are not claiming that it's something really precise. Souissi Mohsen - AFNIC: Thank you anyway. Rob Blokzijl: BTW the first hostcount counted 7200 hosts. But that was never published. Comment: I was one of the few who raised their hand when you asked whether people were using it or whether it is useful. I think its extremely useful because it is one of the few long term efforts to measure something of the internet in a consistent way. It is more of a trans measurement than absolutely numbers. I would like to see some sort of continuation of this and I think its important that potential users understand what it is . What it is that you measure, what the conditions are and yes, its difficult to give error estimates, but people should use it as one of the few reliable trend figures. You can see trends in many publications, but most are based on nothing and if you take any given moment in time, you have a rich choice of various trends, like the internet is not growing anymore or the internet is exploding but at least this measures something that is definied and is not a hostcount as the name suggests, but you are measuring someting in a consistent way for many years, so you can draw some conclustions and I think that is the value. Person from Vienna: I wholly support this project and I am very pleased to see that there is further work being done on this. i would just like to ask if, for the reverse dns counts may lirs volunteer to reform the divulged counts in the same way that some of us volunteerd to perfom forward counts for the country codes? Timnur: That's perfect. We would like to see a participation. Thanks a lot. Bruce Campbell: with what you said about the accuracy - if you see the graph on the screen there is a section that says zones blocked etc. that is the closest that you will get to seeing this is how inaccurate the figures are, because for every zone where we got a block, we have a completely unknown number of hosts that we couldn't count, which is why we started collecting the reverse count because its much easier to ennumerate through the reverse zones and not necessarily forward. the downside is that people generally don't populate the reverse zones. so if you have reverse zones, its putting them in dns is good. its yet another trend. its purely a trend thing with no relation to realiity. Timur: Thank you Peter Kock - denic (one of the starting points into hostzone and long time support and i appreciate the effort and would like to see it continue). I appreciate your new considerations of acceptable use and really, there is no acceptable use. the raw data is no longer shipped, which is probably one of the pre-conditions for the cctld registries to continue support for this project. This is really important and we should talk about that. Timur: Thank you. Out of time, so no open microphone. Y. Open Microphone Z. AOB

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Fwd: [local-ir@ripe.net]Deadline for input to RIPE NCC Membership Survey 2005
by Bijal Sanghani 20 Jun '05

20 Jun '05

fyi - Bijal Sanghani Co-Chair RIPE NCC Services WG Begin forwarded message: > From: Axel Pawlik <contact(a)ripe.net> > Date: 20 June 2005 15:54:14 BDT > To: local-ir(a)ripe.net, ncc-co(a)ripe.net > Subject: [local-ir(a)ripe.net]Deadline for input to RIPE NCC > Membership Survey 2005 > > > [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] > > Dear Colleagues, > > The RIPE NCC needs your input. By filling in the 2005 RIPE NCC > Membership Survey, you can influence the future direction and > services of the RIPE NCC. > > The results of the survey, conducted independently by KPMG, will be > incorporated into the RIPE NCC's long-term strategy. I strongly > urge all members to complete this survey and make sure that your > opinion is heard. > > The 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey will be available online until > early July 2005. > > The survey is available at: > http://www.ripe.net/membership/survey2005 > > Kind regards, > > Axel Pawlik > Managing Director > RIPE NCC > >

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Call for Input: 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey
by Bijal Sanghani 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

Dear Colleagues, We would like to remind you that the 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey is online at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/survey2005 RIPE NCC MEMBERSHIP SURVEY: WHY YOU SHOULD PARTICIPATE This survey, conducted by KPMG, plays an important part in the RIPE NCC's efforts in continuing to meet members' needs. The goal of the survey is to give all members the opportunity to voice their opinions and provide input on the RIPE NCC and the services it offers. KPMG have advised us that they have received 37 responses so far. They have noticed that members are also making very good use of the ability in Section 2 to not only identify possible new services but to also clearly weight their preferences for resource investment. The current number of responses is very low given the number of members we have. We hope that many of you will be able to complete the survey and send your responses to KPMG soon. The survey will be available until mid-June 2005. CONFIDENTIALITY KPMG are conducting the 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey independently from the RIPE NCC. All responses will go directly to KPMG and will remain anonymous to the RIPE NCC. FORMAT OF THE SURVEY The survey is divided into three sections. - Section 1: About RIPE NCC Services In this section, respondents are asked to rate a series of statements relating to the various services that the RIPE NCC currently offers. - Section 2: Planning for the Future This section is divided into two parts. Respondents are asked to: - rate where they feel the RIPE NCC should allocate its resources in the future. - specify where they consider increased investment by the RIPE NCC would benefit members. - Section 3: Other Suggestions In this section, respondents have the opportunity to make suggestions for services or activities that they feel the RIPE NCC should consider, or stop providing, in the future. COMPLETE THE SURVEY The 2005 RIPE NCC Membership Survey is available at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/survey2005 The survey will remain available online until mid-June 2005. We encourage you to participate in this survey, as your input is greatly valued. Thank you in advance for your contribution. Kind regards, Bijal Sanghani

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Whois Database currently off-line
by Shane Kerr 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

Dear Colleagues, The Whois Database is currently not answering queries, or answering them sporadically. We are aware of the outage, and are currently working on restoring service. Apologies for the inconvenience, Shane Kerr Software Engineering Manager RIPE NCC

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RE: [ncc-services-wg] Complaints about becoming a new LIR
by Michael Markstaller 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Now, just to leave my 2 cents.. I've recently applied and all in all I'd say the whole process is really a bit complex which might be caused by the fact becoming a LIR is complex, understanding assignment, allocation, PI, PA, ASN etc. But all in all I did manage to get through and the overall experience of becoming a LIR with RIPE I'd rate very good & professional. But Hanks points & a list of 'needed things' would definitely help.. Michael (former 2:2480/837 - just started googling for current Fido-progs as Frontdoor & Goldedit probably won't do it anymore)

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RIPE 50 Report
by Nick Hyrka 25 May '05

25 May '05

[Apologies for duplicate e-mails.] RIPE 50 Report Dear Colleagues, The RIPE 50 Meeting took place from 2 - 6 May 2005 at the Clarion Hotel, Stockholm, Sweden. There were over 375 participants at the meeting. Attendees also included government representatives and representatives from AfriNIC, APNIC, ARIN, LACNIC and ICANN. HIGHLIGHTS Highlights of RIPE 50 included: - The successful implementation of the new RIPE Meeting format into three days on operational and technical content followed by two days on policy related issues. - An update on the ICANN ASO Address Council. This presentation is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-plenary-fri-… - A commentary on the ITU-T Proposal for National Address Registries for IPv6 by Geoff Huston, APNIC. This presentation is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/ripe50-plenary-wed-… - Final discussion on the RIPE Policy Development Process. More information about this will appear on www.ripe.net shortly. Afilias, Arbor Networks, Cisco Systems, Force10 Networks, Netnod, NIKHEF, Nokia, TeliaSonera and the RIPE NCC are thanked for the support they provided to the meeting. TeliaSonera are thanked for the provision of the meeting Internet connectivity. PRESENTATIONS All the Plenary and Working Group presentations from RIPE 50 can be viewed at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/presentations/index.html SUMMARY ADDRESS POLICY WORKING GROUP - It was agreed that the Address Policy Working Group Chairs will make a formal proposal that global policies should go through the RIPE Policy Development Process. - There was discussion on the TLD anycast allocation policy proposal, the IPv6 proposal to remove the 200 customers requirement, the proposal for removal of the Africa Special Policy, the proposal to add regional boundaries to policy documents and the IPv4-HD-Ratio proposal. ANTI-SPAM WORKING GROUP - There was discussion on whether ripe-206 should be revised to reflect the updates to the LINX BCP document that was used as the base for the original ripe-206. - There was discussion about anti-spammers sometimes behaving worse than spammers, and action placed on the Working Group Chair to start work on a document for best practise for spam complaints. DATABASE WORKING GROUP - It was agreed that a proposal on the "country:" attribute should be prepared. This will be done by the RIPE NCC. - It was noted that changes to the RIPE Database for abuse are now in production. DNS WORKING GROUP - It was agreed that the DNS Working Group Chair will produce a proposal to solve the problem that changes to reverse DNS nameservers cannot have multiple names. - There was discussion on whether the DNS Working Group should take over the work to produce a RIPE Document on AAAA resolution issues. - It was agreed that the RIPE NCC will produce statistics on anycast placement for K-root and the RIPE region Hostcount in time for RIPE 51. - It was noted that DNSSEC RFCs have been published, and that DNSSEC is being tested in Sweden in the .se domain. EIX WORKING GROUP - It was noted that the Switching Wish-List Version 3.0 will be published soon by Mike Hughes, and that version 3.1 will be published after RIPE 51. - There was discussion about public versus private peering. ENUM WORKING GROUP - It was agreed that Niall O'Reilly and Carsten Schiefner will be the new ENUM Working Group Chairs. - It was noted that the IETF is continuing work on ENUM standards. - It was agreed that the ENUM Working Group will continue to work as it has in the past, with an emphasis on the exchange of operational experience. IPV6 WORKING GROUP - It was decided that the RIPE Whois Database will continue to include more services that run in native IPv6. - It was agreed that the community needs to produce a revised Internet draft before RIPE 51 to formally address the demands of RFC3177, particularly the /48 recommendation. - It was noted that the IPv6 Working Group needs to decide where it wishes to house the new, operational IPv6 mailing list. RIPE NCC SERVICES WORKING GROUP - There was discussion on the value of the Hostcount. It was agreed that the RIPE NCC should continue working on this, and that the RIPE NCC should write and put a new Hostcount into service. ROUTING WORKING GROUP - There was discussion on route flap damping and de-aggregation practices raised by Philip Smith in the RIPE 50 Plenary. - Lorenzo Colliti (RIPE NCC) presented the research work of Roma Tre University on active BGP probing to discover AS level topology of the Internet. TEST TRAFFIC WORKING GROUP - It was agreed that the community should provide a proposal on how TTM infrastructure could be used to certify the quality of service provided by ISPs and to verify Service Level Agreements. - Henk Uijterwaal gave an update on the status of the TTM project - Thomas Wana presented work done to improve the accuracy of TTM time measurements and a proposal to create even greater accuracy by using DAG cards for measurement. - There was discussion on the future directions for the TTM project and it was agreed that the TTM infrastructure and measurements could be leveraged to certify the quality of service provided by ISPs. The Working Group agreed that the RIPE NCC, as a trusted third party, could perform the measurements and publish the results. CO-LOCATED PEERING BoF Netnod, LINX and AMS-IX hosted a peering BoF co-located at RIPE 50 on Sunday, 1 May, where peering policies were presented. CO-LOCATED LOBSTER TUTORIAL A tutorial entitled "Passive Network Traffic Monitoring" was organised on Friday, 6 May, by the consortium of LOBSTER, a European IST Project on Large-Scale Monitoring of Broadband Internet Infrastructures. RIPE 50 WEBCASTING AND ARCHIVES During RIPE 50, the RIPE NCC collected feedback from participants watching the webcast and listening to the audiocasts. The mediums used for this were IRC and Jabber. Archives of presentations, webcasts and IRC/Jabber feedback from RIPE 50 are available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50/sessions-archive.html HOSTMASTER CONSULTATION CENTRE (HCC) The RIPE NCC Hostmaster Consultation Centre was open at RIPE 50, allowing RIPE NCC Members to discuss issues relating to their business directly with RIPE NCC Hostmasters. "MEET & GREET" The RIPE NCC's "Meet & Greet" was available for first-time RIPE Meeting attendees at RIPE 50. "Meet & Greet" introduces newcomers to the meetings, to key attendees from the RIPE community and to social events throughout the week. More information can be obtained by contacting <meet-greet(a)ripe.net>. RIPE 50 REFERENCE PAGE A complete list of RIPE 50 sessions, tutorials and presentations can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-50 RIPE 51 RIPE 51 will be held in Amsterdam, the Netherlands from 10 - 14 October 2005. Information on RIPE 51 is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-51 If you have any questions about RIPE Meetings, please contact <meeting(a)ripe.net>.

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Application Policy
by Damien - MPLS Buchaill 19 May '05

19 May '05

Hi Guys, Can someone advise, when submitting an application, do RIPE encourage/ expect use of RFC1918 on internal links? I don't really want to kick off a debate on the rights and wrongs of using RFC1918 ! Just wondering is there an expectation to go down this route to conserve on address, or do RIPE assume you will use registered and allocate accordingly? Thank in advance Damien.

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RIPE NCC Services WG Agenda - RIPE 50
by Bijal Sanghani 18 Apr '05

18 Apr '05

Dear All, Please see below the Proposed Agenda for the RIPE NCC Services WG for RIPE 50 - Day: Thursday 5th May 2005, 16:00 - 17:00 A. Administrative Matters - Welcome - Select a scribe - Distribute participants list - Finalise agenda - Approve minutes http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/ncc-services/r49-minutes.html B. Report from the RIPE NCC - Axel Pawlik (25minutes) C. New LIR Survey - results and feedback (5 minutes) D. A New Version of the Hostcount - RIPE NCC (15 minutes) Y. Open Microphone Z. A.O.B regards, -bijal

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Changes to RIPE DNS Infrastructure
by Brett Carr 15 Apr '05

15 Apr '05

Apologies for duplicate messages Dear Colleagues As part of our ongoing preparations for DNSSEC deployment., we have recently made some changes to the RIPE NCC DNS Server infrastructure. Our main DNS server (ns.ripe.net) held a significant amount of primary in-addr.arpa zones and secondary copies of many zones on behalf of other parties. We have split this into several servers as follows. · ns.ripe.net This contains no primary, but many secondary zones. · ns-pri.ripe.net This contains all zones for which RIPE is primary. · ns-[CountryCode].ripe.net This contains all Country Code Top level Domain (CCTLD) zones for which RIPE is secondary. · ns-sec.ripe.net We will deploy this server soon, it currently contains no zones. We are working towards the following: · ns.ripe.net - This will contain /16 IPv4 reverse and /32 IPv6 secondary reverse zones. · ns-pri.ripe.net - This will contain all zones for which RIPE is primary. · ns-[CountryCode].ripe.net - This will contain ccTLD zones for which RIPE is secondary. · ns-sec.ripe.net - This will contain all zones for which RIPE is secondary (excluding those on ns andns-tld). We will soon contact users to arrange moving zones from ns to ns-sec. This information was correct on 12 April 2005. Regards Brett Carr System Engineer RIPE NCC

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Recognition of AfriNIC as the Fifth Regional Internet Registry
by Axel Pawlik 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce that, on 8 April 2005 during the ICANN Board meeting in Mar del Plata, Argentina, AfriNIC was officially recognised as the fifth Regional Internet Registry (RIR) to serve Africa and the Indian Ocean. We would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the AfriNIC staff and everyone who has been involved with the formation of the fifth RIR. The ICANN Board resolution is available from the ICANN website at: http://www.icann.org/minutes/resolutions-08apr05.htm More information about AfriNIC can be found on their website at: http://www.afrinic.net Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC

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