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many passwords
by Telnet 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Given that if RIPE can help someone to regain stolen objects that's good, there is no solution about spoils of war, even in cyberspace. What about a list of passwords? The first one for normal operations and the remaining ones to let RIPE know that you are acting against your will. The passwords could also carry some information in advance, maybe a password could mean a particular threat. RIPE will transfer the object and will also collect evidence about what secondary password was used. This evidence could be later used in court. This point is important because those secondary passwords will open the doors to all sorts of scams (and potentially solve the IPv4 address exhaustion problem), but RIPE is a registry, not a court. We may also discuss about who can request this evidence: * a court * any * only a particular kind (e.g. war, criminal, geographically restricted) * the original owner * always * after some amount of time after the transfer * after a geopolitical event is over * someone else * never * some kind of representative (e.g. a new CEO) And what evidence can be requested: * only pertaining a particular case (I'm not a fan of partial information, it often leads to manipulation) * full list of the member, from the dawn of time, no omissions (I like this one very much as scam deterrent) Regards, -- Nik Soggia - TELNET S.r.l. Phone: +39-0382-529751 Via Buozzi, 5 - 27100 Pavia, Italy Fax: +39-0382-528074

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Ukraine
by Maksym Fomichov 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Please do not do the full country ban, it is not good for us! -- реклама ----------------------------------------------------------- Поспішай зареєструвати найкоротшу поштову адресу @i.ua https://mail.i.ua/reg - і отримай 1Gb для зберігання листів

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UA: another option
by Max Tulyev 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Hi All! During the Secret WG meeting ;) we came up with another option like a "Stop" red button. This can protect resources against the forced transfer. After push this button, the transfer can be done (for the period of time) only if the LIR authoritative person came up to the RIPE NCC office in person and sign the transfer agreement there under the direct supervision of NCC hostmaster. This protects against signing documents under the gun or in prison. This also does not need (for my point of view) any change in the policy, as we do not reject the transfer at all, only change the way how to do it.

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12
by pavel＠hostmaster.kiev.ua 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Do NOT support such measures. It can cause the economy problems, it will disturb small companies to expand. We should find the solution to check not to block any possiblities. And by the way, there is no such countries as DNR, LNR, HNR, etc. От: <ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net> Кому: <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Отправлено: 27.10.2022 0:20 Тема: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12 Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at ncc-services-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Transfers from Ukraine (Leonid Khorolets) 2. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (Max Tulyev) 3. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (????? ??????) 4. Ukrainian LIR (Serhii Khomenko) 5. Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs (Alexander Buzaev) 6. Ukrainian blockings (vs(a)liptel.net.ua) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:43:29 +0200 From: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <CAGYFX64NWKqszvYuGo1muUSf04yvV4ztYNTUxU9F3hqnjboRHg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:57:30 +0300 From: Max Tulyev <maxtul(a)netassist.ua> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <4debcf2b-d2a6-504a-e0c6-eba456a0cfca(a)netassist.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative and even don't know about it. Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those who don't want that "protection". 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????: > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only > themselves/ > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:35:48 +0200 From: ????? ?????? <x-ray(a)kct.net.ua> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <CAASdiB3VOZYePzCkCDEOuatpUC3RLBQNv5d_52MdPqOze3Ykig(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I do not understand the procedure of the transfer ban proposal. Who and how will decide if resources are Ukrainian or not. And why should Ukrainian resource holders all suffer from the "Ban all" policy if DNR, LNR and RU should not? I think the idea about "own decision button or e-mail request to suspend all requests from me for X mouns" is better and suites good for all purposes and more about free will, then just "ban all". ??, 26 ???. 2022 ?. ? 17:57, Max Tulyev <maxtul(a)netassist.ua>: > That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs > want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative > and even don't know about it. > > Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those > who don't want that "protection". > > 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????: > > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses > > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network > > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about > > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting > > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only > > themselves/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > -- ? ?????????, ????? ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:18:23 +0300 From: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian LIR Message-ID: <CABx+x=MPmDAAQds0pfXrkAL8ne1yDbGfiHwNVM+gv+u2ri7ATg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This is the only way. Please do not implement this ban!" Regards, Serhii -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ukr question
by Serhi Monchulyak 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Hi to all I don;t support the whole idea. Instead of blocking russia , you are talking about Ukraine. Do not let russians to purchase, transfer or gain networks, which have attitude to Ukraine. That's all. Also it will definatelly cause problems to the real owners. Regards, Serhii -- реклама ----------------------------------------------------------- Поторопись зарегистрировать самый короткий почтовый адрес @i.ua https://mail.i.ua/reg - и получи 1Gb для хранения писем

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Ukrainian blockings
by vs＠liptel.net.ua 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

Hello There is no way to implement the transfer blockings on the whole territory of Ukraine. There are hundreds of companies, which are the owners of IP resources. additional problems to ukrainians. Andrii

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Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12
by ds＠eurolir.kiev.ua 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

I agree that this is ridiculous to block the whole country From: <ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net> To: <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: 10/27/2022 12:20 AM Subject: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12 Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at ncc-services-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Transfers from Ukraine (Leonid Khorolets) 2. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (Max Tulyev) 3. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (????? ??????) 4. Ukrainian LIR (Serhii Khomenko) 5. Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs (Alexander Buzaev) 6. Ukrainian blockings (vs(a)liptel.net.ua) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:43:29 +0200 From: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <CAGYFX64NWKqszvYuGo1muUSf04yvV4ztYNTUxU9F3hqnjboRHg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:57:30 +0300 From: Max Tulyev <maxtul(a)netassist.ua> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <4debcf2b-d2a6-504a-e0c6-eba456a0cfca(a)netassist.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative and even don't know about it. Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those who don't want that "protection". 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????: > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only > themselves/ > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:35:48 +0200 From: ????? ?????? <x-ray(a)kct.net.ua> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <CAASdiB3VOZYePzCkCDEOuatpUC3RLBQNv5d_52MdPqOze3Ykig(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I do not understand the procedure of the transfer ban proposal. Who and how will decide if resources are Ukrainian or not. And why should Ukrainian resource holders all suffer from the "Ban all" policy if DNR, LNR and RU should not? I think the idea about "own decision button or e-mail request to suspend all requests from me for X mouns" is better and suites good for all purposes and more about free will, then just "ban all". ??, 26 ???. 2022 ?. ? 17:57, Max Tulyev <maxtul(a)netassist.ua>: > That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs > want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative > and even don't know about it. > > Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those > who don't want that "protection". > > 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????: > > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses > > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network > > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about > > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting > > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only > > themselves/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > -- ? ?????????, ????? ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:18:23 +0300 From: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian LIR Message-ID: <CABx+x=MPmDAAQds0pfXrkAL8ne1yDbGfiHwNVM+gv+u2ri7ATg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This is the only way. Please do not implement this ban!" Regards, Serhii -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ukrainian blockings
by vs＠liptel.net.ua 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

Hello

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Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs
by Alexander Buzaev 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

Hi, I heard that someone propoused do not provide to ukrainian's LIRs possibilities to manage thair resourses (like transfering). It's totally insaine. How a limitation of our rights should help us? Only russia should be banned!!! RIPE NCC has to do their job and protect LIRs that are temporarry under occupation but not by banning whole Ukraine. Stop TERROrussia! Support Ukraine! -- Alexander Buzaev

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Ukrainian LIR
by Serhii Khomenko 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This is the only way. Please do not implement this ban!" Regards, Serhii

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