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Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12
by ds＠eurolir.kiev.ua 27 Oct '22

27 Oct '22

I agree that this is ridiculous to block the whole country From: <ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net> To: <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: 10/27/2022 12:20 AM Subject: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12 Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ncc-services-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at ncc-services-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Transfers from Ukraine (Leonid Khorolets) 2. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (Max Tulyev) 3. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (????? ??????) 4. Ukrainian LIR (Serhii Khomenko) 5. Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs (Alexander Buzaev) 6. Ukrainian blockings (vs(a)liptel.net.ua) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:43:29 +0200 From: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <CAGYFX64NWKqszvYuGo1muUSf04yvV4ztYNTUxU9F3hqnjboRHg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:57:30 +0300 From: Max Tulyev <maxtul(a)netassist.ua> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <4debcf2b-d2a6-504a-e0c6-eba456a0cfca(a)netassist.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative and even don't know about it. Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those who don't want that "protection". 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????: > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only > themselves/ > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:35:48 +0200 From: ????? ?????? <x-ray(a)kct.net.ua> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <CAASdiB3VOZYePzCkCDEOuatpUC3RLBQNv5d_52MdPqOze3Ykig(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I do not understand the procedure of the transfer ban proposal. Who and how will decide if resources are Ukrainian or not. And why should Ukrainian resource holders all suffer from the "Ban all" policy if DNR, LNR and RU should not? I think the idea about "own decision button or e-mail request to suspend all requests from me for X mouns" is better and suites good for all purposes and more about free will, then just "ban all". ??, 26 ???. 2022 ?. ? 17:57, Max Tulyev <maxtul(a)netassist.ua>: > That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs > want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative > and even don't know about it. > > Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those > who don't want that "protection". > > 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????: > > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses > > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network > > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about > > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting > > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only > > themselves/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg > -- ? ?????????, ????? ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221…> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:18:23 +0300 From: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m(a)gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian LIR Message-ID: <CABx+x=MPmDAAQds0pfXrkAL8ne1yDbGfiHwNVM+gv+u2ri7ATg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This is the only way. Please do not implement this ban!" Regards, Serhii -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ukrainian blockings
by vs＠liptel.net.ua 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

Hello

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Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs
by Alexander Buzaev 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

Hi, I heard that someone propoused do not provide to ukrainian's LIRs possibilities to manage thair resourses (like transfering). It's totally insaine. How a limitation of our rights should help us? Only russia should be banned!!! RIPE NCC has to do their job and protect LIRs that are temporarry under occupation but not by banning whole Ukraine. Stop TERROrussia! Support Ukraine! -- Alexander Buzaev

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Ukrainian LIR
by Serhii Khomenko 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This is the only way. Please do not implement this ban!" Regards, Serhii

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Transfers from Ukraine
by Leonid Khorolets 26 Oct '22

26 Oct '22

We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/

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Call for volunteers to co-chair the RIPE NCC Services Working Group
by Bijal Sanghani 25 Oct '22

25 Oct '22

Dear Colleagues, This is a call for nominations or volunteers to co-chair the RIPE NCC Services working group. Please DO NOT reply to this message if you wish to volunteer or propose a volunteer. Call for RIPE NCC Services Working Group Chair In accordance with the chair selection process we announce that the term of one of our co-chairs (Rob Evans) will soon expire and we would like to invite volunteers, or nominations, for someone to become a co-chair of the RIPE NCC Services working group. Anyone may volunteer, and anyone may be nominated by someone else. To do this, please send a mail to ncc-services-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg-chairs@ripe.net> before the end of Tuesday 11th October 2022. It would be helpful for candidates to provide some words as to why they think they ought to be a co-chair, what new ideas, or improvements they might bring, and so on. We will publish the list of volunteers, along with anything the volunteers include with their nomination, to this mailing list on Tuesday 11th October 2022. Discussion and support (or opposition) for each candidate can then be offered on the list. At the NCC Services working group session at RIPE 85, Kurtis will announce the candidate based on the mailing list discussion. Timeline Tuesday 27 Sept This call for volunteers posted to the ncc-services-wg mail list Tuesday 11 Oct Deadline for volunteers Tuesday 11 Oct List of volunteers and call for support posted to the mail list Tuesday 25 Oct Deadline for showing support for volunteers on the mail list Wednesday 26 Oct NCC Services WG session at RIPE 85 References The RIPE working group chair job description is included in ripe-692: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-692 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-692> A guide for New RIPE WG Chairs is in RIPE-765: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-765 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-765> The tasks associated with the RIPE WG Chair Collective are described in RIPE-749: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-749 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-749> The guidelines for managing WG mailing lists are in RIPE-764: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-764 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-764> The RIPE NCC Services working group chair selection process is documented here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/services/ripe-ncc-servic… <https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/services/ripe-ncc-servic…> Of course, the RIPE Code of Conduct is described in RIPE-766: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-766 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-766> As always, please feel free to reach out to any of the chairs directly, to us as a group at ncc-services-wg-chairs(a)ripe.net <mailto:ncc-services-wg-chairs@ripe.net>, or discuss this or any other any relevant topic on this mailing list. Kind regards, Bijal Sanghani On behalf of the NCC Services WG Chairs

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NEW CONTRACT DOCUMENT
by ripe.net web support 21 Oct '22

21 Oct '22

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RIPE84: Draft minutes NCC Services WG
by Bijal Sanghani 14 Oct '22

14 Oct '22

Dear All, You can find the draft minutes from the NCC Services WG in Berlin, here - https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/services/minutes/ripe-84 Please feel free to send comments to the chairs or the mailing list. Kind regards, NCC Services WG Chairs

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NCC Services WG Draft Agenda - RIPE85
by Bijal Sanghani 13 Oct '22

13 Oct '22

Dear all, Below and shortly online you can find the NCC Services working group draft agenda, any additions or comments please let us know. Kind regards, NCC Services working group chairs == Date: Wednesday 26 October 2022 Time: 14:30 - 16:00 CEST Chair: Kurtis Lindqvist Co-Chair: Rob Evans, Bijal Sanghani A. Administrative Matters (5 minutes) Welcome Select a scribe Finalise agenda Approve minutes from RIPE 84 - https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/services/minutes/ripe-nc… <https://www.ripe.net/participate/ripe/wg/active-wg/services/minutes/ripe-nc…>4 B. RIPE NCC Operations Update Felipe Victolla Silveira, Chief Operations Officer, RIPE NCC (25 mins) C. Reducing Barriers to Engagement Fergal Cunningham, Head of Membership Engagement, RIPE NCC (20 mins) D. Updates to the Registry from Distressed Areas Athina Fragkouli, Chief Legal Officer, RIPE NCC (20 mins) E. NCC Services Working Group Co-chair selection Kurtis Lindqvist, WG Chair (5 minutes) F. Open Microphone Session Kurtis Lindqvist, WG Chair (5 minutes) Z. Any other business Kurtis Lindqvist, WG Chair (5 minutes)

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Introducing the New RIPE NCC Forum
by Fergal Cunningham 11 Oct '22

11 Oct '22

Dear all, We invite you to try out the RIPE NCC Forum, our newest online space for discussions. We’re eager to find ways to make it easier for you to engage with us and one another, and by launching this new forum, we hope to lower the barriers to participation. Go straight to the forum: https://forum.ripe.net The RIPE NCC Forum is built using Discourse, an open source platform and it is open to all. The forum is read-only for anyone who does not create an account. We’ve shared more details about the ideas and technology behind the forum in this RIPE Labs article: https://labs.ripe.net/author/ulka_athale_1/the-new-ripe-ncc-forum-talk-to-u… Over the years, we’ve heard many of you ask us for a forum, and for easier ways to stay connected with each other. We hope this forum is a step in the right direction. Please keep in mind that the mailing lists remain the official feedback mechanism to the RIPE NCC Executive Board and management, and all policy proposal discussions should still take place on the relevant mailing list. By adding a forum, we would like to create room for more conversations or discussions on topics that are of interest to you, like helping you learn how to use our tools or services, or to make it easier to connect with others who might have solutions for issues you face. Trying something new can be a bit daunting, so we’re starting off with the standard features available in Discourse. As we see the use of the forum evolving, we will consider adding more advanced features. For a while now, the existing RIPE Forum (our web interface for the mailing lists) has been displaying a banner announcing that it will be retired soon. This is due to the planned upgrade to Mailman 3, which has significantly improved functionality for searching and browsing mailing lists, making the existing web interface redundant. We will continue to support the old web interface until the upgrade is completed. In the meantime, we hope you will try out our new forum, and tell us what you think. Kind regards, Fergal Cunningham Head of Membership Engagement RIPE NCC

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