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PI/ASN contracts
by Max Tulyev 06 Sep '09

06 Sep '09

Hi All, I have some misunderstanding with contractual relationship procedure is going on. By 20th of September, I should provide information about my clients signed contracts with our company. These all objects will appear in our billing scheme in 2010. If someone didn't sign it before this date, but will - for example, on October, 1st - what should I do with these clients? -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)

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Deprecation of rev-srv attribute
by Denis Walker 27 Aug '09

27 Aug '09

Dear Colleagues, In April 2009, the RIPE NCC announced the timeline for the deprecation of the "rev-srv:" attribute. This announcement can be found online at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/db-wg/2009/msg00032.html At the RIPE 58 Meeting it was agreed that the final stage would be to convert any remaining "rev-srv:" attributes into "remarks:" attributes. This final stage will be implemented by the RIPE NCC on Wednesday, 2 September. There are approximately 100,000 remaining "rev-srv:" attributes. There was some discussion on the RIPE Database Working Group mailing list about whether these attributes should be removed completely instead of converted into remarks as most of the data concerned is likely to be out of date and of little use to anyone. However, as no consensus was reached on this discussion, we will continue with the current conversion to remarks. If you have any general comments or questions about this, please reply to the mailing list. For more specific comments or questions, please contact <ripe-dbm(a)ripe.net>. Regards, Denis Walker Business Analyst RIPE NCC

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Re: Complaint: Overly complicated when requesting PI space
by Sander Steffann 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

Hello Mark, > If you ask me it should be allowed to use PI space for clients (and > give > clients the option to use/maintain more than a /30 (IPv4)). PI policy explicitly states that PI space can not be re-assigned or further assigned to other parties. See http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-471.html#9 . Any organisation that needs address space for its customers must use PA space. The definition of an LIR is that it assigns address space to its customers. PI space is (per definition) only to be used by the company that requested it itself. > It is also in my > opinion not to RIPE (community or the NCC) to ask that information. > The > should ask for general usage, how much would be used for clients for > example. How many clients a company has shouldn't be important to > get PI. In this case it doesn't matter. That the company needs address space for *any* customers indicates that PI space is not appropriate and PA space should be used. The company uses address space for customers and therefore must become an LIR. I think it is now time to stop this discussion, at least on the address policy mailing list. This discussion is not leading to a viable policy proposal. Thanks, Sander Steffann APWG co-chair

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Complaint: Overly complicated when requesting PI space
by Jeroen Wunnink 16 Jul '09

16 Jul '09

Hello Members, I'd like to state a complaint toward overly complicated issues with requesting PI space as a LIR for a customer. Situation: I have a customer who's purchased a router and wants his own IP space+AS number to start multihoming. Since he's pretty new to routing and policies of RIPE and managing the database to keep things going, we as LIR offered him to do this for him at the startup phase. Currently he'll be hosting several services from within our PA ranges and will start growing his new resources in the PI space he wants. After filling in the request forms, his AS got approved pending the PI /24 range assignment. And that's been a process that's currently becoming something ridiculous. Initially I got some return questions on how the subnets would be sliced up, what would be used for management of the routers, if IP's are being assigned statically or dynamically, how much IP's a customer would use and if PA space is being returned. Questions (except for the 'how much IP's will a customer use') I can understand and all answered. Then in a follow-up I got asked what the montly growth is, who's administratively responsible for the IP's and how they're going to be used on the servers. Then in a next follow up I got pointed to using PA space either from us or a different provider or that the customer should become LIR himself since we as LIR cannot sub-allocate PI space. (something that's not intended in the first place at all, we just administer it on a contract base until he understands procedures) And then after explaining that we will only help the customer on contract base and not sub-allocate anything, another follow-up comes that no customer can use more then 1 or 2 IP's and once again a question on how many servers are involved here. And that's where I'm at now. I've been trying to request PI space for our customer since last friday, and in my opinion there's too much meddling into internal business by RIPE here and this is taking a ridiculous amount of time and communication. As a LIR we hand out IP space responsibly to our customers, for a good technical and administrative reason we have a customer who wants his own PI assignment and I'm asking him questions about his business that lean towards a company secret. In my opinion RIPE has absolutely no business in asking how many customers and/or servers someone has and stating that a customer can not use >2 IP's in that PI space (what if someone has *gasp* 3 SSL websites ?, I cannot imagine that happening.., ever). Also neither we or our customer has a crystal ball to see in the future, so sure I can tell the amount of customer growth I'll be expecting or HOPING to see, but come on. I know IPv4 space must be handed out responsibly, but this is seriously going too far, especially for a LIR. Supposedly I cannot give a routing-reason for requesting PI space, but part of that IS important on why I'm requesting it. It's really not desirable for us AND for my customer to chop out a part of my PA space and announce in smaller chunks from his own AS on the same exchange points we're on and this customer is NOT at the stage yet to become a full LIR himself. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Jeroen Wunnink, EasyHosting B.V. Systeembeheerder systeembeheer(a)easyhosting.nl telefoon:+31 (035) 6285455 Postbus 48 fax: +31 (035) 6838242 3755 ZG Eemnes http://www.easyhosting.nl http://www.easycolocate.nl

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IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey: Deadline Extended!
by Paul Rendek 06 Jul '09

06 Jul '09

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, The deadline for responding to the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey has been extended to Friday, 10 July 2009. This survey is being conducted by TNO and GNKS Consult, working with the RIPE NCC and sponsored by the European Commission. The aim is to collect data on the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the RIPE NCC service region, and all members of the RIPE community are encouraged to participate. You can access the survey at: http://is-nri.com/take/?i=150597&h=1GwWe3dXXMcPrRrOw5s2yg The survey is composed of 16 questions and can be completed in 10-15 minutes. Results will be presented and discussed at RIPE 59 and published on IPv6 Act Now: http://ipv6actnow.org Please note that all data will be kept confidential at all times, and will only be disclosed on an aggregated level. For more information on the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey, please see: http://www.ripe.net/news/ipv6-deployment-monitoring-survey.html We appreciate your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please send an email to <info(a)gnksconsult.com>. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey Reminder
by Paul Rendek 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

[Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, This is a reminder that the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey is online, and we encourage all members of the RIPE community to participate. The final date for submitting a response is Friday, 3 July 2009. You can access the survey at: http://is-nri.com/take/?i=150597&h=1GwWe3dXXMcPrRrOw5s2yg The survey is being conducted by TNO and GNKS Consult, working with the RIPE NCC and sponsored by the European Commission. The aim of the survey is to collect data on the current and future use of IPv6 throughout the RIPE NCC service region. The survey is composed of 16 questions and can be completed in 10-15 minutes. Results will be presented and discussed at RIPE 59 and published on IPv6 Act Now: http://ipv6actnow.org For more information on the IPv6 Deployment Monitoring Survey, please see: http://www.ripe.net/news/ipv6-deployment-monitoring-survey.html We appreciate your time and interest in completing this survey. If you have any questions concerning the survey, please send an email to <info(a)gnksconsult.com >. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC

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NCC Services WG Minutes RIPE 58
by Sanghani, Bijal 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

Dear All, The minutes for the NCC Services WG are now available at - http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/ncc-services/minutes.html <http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/ncc-services/minutes.html> Please let us know if you have any questions or comments. Kind Regards Bijal Sanghani The information contained in this e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you should return it to the sender immediately. Please note that while we scan all e-mails for viruses we cannot guarantee that any e-mail is virus-free and accept no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.

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[Fwd: [ncc-services-wg] disabled]
by Paul Rendek 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

Dear Tom, Thank you for your query, and our apologies for any inconvenience that this may have caused. Your email address would have been automatically set to "disabled" after five messages from the list mail server bounced back from your mailbox. This could mean that your mail server was malfunctioning, which would also explain why you didn't receive the notification mail that would have been automatically generated and sent to you. Anyone affected by this can reenable their subscription by visiting the membership management page at: http://www.ripe.net/mailman/admin/ncc-services-wg/members If you have any further questions or suggestions about this, please contact <ncc(a)ripe.net> Regards, Paul Rendek RIPE NCC Head of External Relations and Communications -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ncc-services-wg] disabled Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:19:08 +0200 From: tp <ripe(a)dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: tp <ripe(a)dial.pipex.com> To: <ncc-services-wg(a)ripe.net> In the run up to the last RIPE meeting, I stopped receiving e-mails from the various RIPE lists to which I am subscribed. I thought it odd that the lists should go quiet at such a time, tried resubscribing to find I was still subscribed and eventually stumbled across 'disabled', which all my lists were. I think that this procedure, of disabling subscriptions without warning, without explanation and for no reason apparent to the subscriber offers room for improvement. I cannot recall ever seeing any announcement about this, at subscription time or later, and having trawled the RIPE web site, I am still none the wiser as to how and why subscriptions get disabled. Even if I were, I imagine that there is nothing on this earth I can do to stop it happening, since I did nothing that I know of to make it happen the first time. Any thoughts? Tom Petch

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disabled
by tp 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

In the run up to the last RIPE meeting, I stopped receiving e-mails from the various RIPE lists to which I am subscribed. I thought it odd that the lists should go quiet at such a time, tried resubscribing to find I was still subscribed and eventually stumbled across 'disabled', which all my lists were. I think that this procedure, of disabling subscriptions without warning, without explanation and for no reason apparent to the subscriber offers room for improvement. I cannot recall ever seeing any announcement about this, at subscription time or later, and having trawled the RIPE web site, I am still none the wiser as to how and why subscriptions get disabled. Even if I were, I imagine that there is nothing on this earth I can do to stop it happening, since I did nothing that I know of to make it happen the first time. Any thoughts? Tom Petch

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RIPE NCC response time
by Hank Nussbacher 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Judging by the RIPE statistics posted in regards to hostmaster response time everything is great: http://www.ripe.net/info/stats/rs/rt-hostmaster.html For the last 2 weeks response time is less than 1 day. Well due to the "2007-01 Phase 2 Implementation: Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC", I have been submitting tickets to move ASNs assigned to my LIR over a decade ago to other LIRs which are now the owner of that ASN (yet now is billed to my LIR). So starting on June 16 - 6 days ago I submitted 6 "move requests" and even got back ticket acknowledgments: 2009063188, 2009063190, etc. and yesterday a 7th request. Yet, I have not heard back from RIPE NCC. Yet, the stats graphs shows all ticket requests answered within 1 day. Is it just me?! -Hank

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