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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 01:19:40 +0200
From: Serg Galat <greysticky@gmail.com>
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 118, Issue
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Dear colleague,

To my mind you don't see the latest RIPE event.
Or didn't look carefully.

I'm fully agree with point 1 of your speech.
That is, there is a problem. But there's no solution, or a legitimate solution.

Stop transfer from UA to RU LIRs? Ok, but such transfers usual not to RU LIRs.
Accept transfers from UA to UA? Okay, but what territory of the UA at the time of confirmation is under occupation? And how RIPE NCC know it's surely?

And RIPE NCC is not blocking transfers by himself. The part of ua LIRs ask NCC to do that. Temporarily.
Until this working group adopts the necessary changes to the relevant polices.

So no cynicism and naivety. Or something similar. That's if it's fair.



> On 19 Dec 2022, at 23:09, Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I still will not get tired of being surprised at how naive people who live in civilized European countries. Although, maybe it's just a cynicism.
>
> 1. The only reason why we are discussing this topic (limiting the rights of Ukrainian companies) is the aggression of the russians. They are the only ones who can steal blocks of addresses in Ukraine, threatening the holders of Internet resources with death.
> Instead of punishing the aggressor, you implement restrictions on the victim of aggression.
> -- I assume that this is cynicism.
>
> 2. If you did not know, notary services are not for free. We are all Ukrainians now actively sponsoring the Armed Forces of Ukraine who are the only guarantor of the security of our companies. And instead of sending funds to strengthen the defense of Ukraine, you want to implement on us the obligation to pay an additional fees for the notary services. Thank you so much for your "support".
>
> --
>
> 3. As we have already determined, the only reason for your concern and maniacal desire to violently protect the resources of Ukrainian companies is russians.
>
> Also, everyone knows that hundreds of thousands of russists came not only to Ukraine, but also to dozens of countries of the European Union. And they can do whatever they want on the territory of the EU: the Skripal case, the Litvinenko case etc. The only difference is that Ukrainians have learned  how to mix them with the soil. European countries do not know how to do this. So your companies are more vulnerable to the russians. Why don't you change the RIPE policy to limit the rights for companies throughout the territory of RIPE? Why don't you want to oblige European companies to pay for notary services during transfers as well or stop any transfers through all the RIPE countries at all?
>
> -- Cynicism? Yes cynicism.
>
> 4. Why don't you want to implement a single effective way to protect all companies within the RIPE ?- blocking all transfers to a single criminal -- the russians??? And it will not be necessary to impose restrictions of the rights and freedoms for the European companies.
> But you won't do that - too much money comes from russists to RIPE, and everyone knows it.
>
> - You know nothing about European values, unless these values are refined mercantile cynicism.
>
>
> IMPLEMENT YOUR RESTRICTIONS FOR russia NOT FOR UKRAINE!!
> Or implement the same new policy for the whole RIPE region otherwise it will be discrimination of Ukraine based on national origin.
>
> Kind regards,
> Serhii
>