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Тема: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12

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Today's Topics:

1. Transfers from Ukraine (Leonid Khorolets)
2. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (Max Tulyev)
3. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (????? ??????)
4. Ukrainian LIR (Serhii Khomenko)
5. Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs (Alexander Buzaev)
6. Ukrainian blockings (vs@liptel.net.ua)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:43:29 +0200
From: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442@gmail.com>
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine
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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from
Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running
and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block
in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent
a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:57:30 +0300
From: Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua>
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine
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That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs
want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative
and even don't know about it.

Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those
who don't want that "protection".

26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????:
> We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses
> from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network
> running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about
> transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting
> does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only
> themselves/
>

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:35:48 +0200
From: ????? ?????? <x-ray@kct.net.ua>
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine
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I do not understand the procedure of the transfer ban proposal. Who and how
will decide if resources are Ukrainian or not. And why should Ukrainian
resource holders all suffer from the "Ban all" policy if DNR, LNR and RU
should not?

I think the idea about "own decision button or e-mail request to suspend
all requests from me for X mouns" is better and suites good for all
purposes and more about free will, then just "ban all".

??, 26 ???. 2022 ?. ? 17:57, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua>:

> That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs
> want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative
> and even don't know about it.
>
> Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those
> who don't want that "protection".
>
> 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????:
> > We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses
> > from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network
> > running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about
> > transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting
> > does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only
> > themselves/
> >
>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:18:23 +0300
From: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com>
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian LIR
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As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring
Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of
problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the
occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents"
from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This
is the only way.

Please do not implement this ban!"

Regards,
Serhii
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 00:08:58 +0300
From: Alexander Buzaev <alex.weeccomi@ukr.net>
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs
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Hi,
I heard that someone propoused do not provide to ukrainian's LIRs possibilities to manage thair resourses (like transfering). It's totally insaine. How?a?limitation of our rights should?help us? Only russia should be banned!!! RIPE NCC has to do their job and protect LIRs that are temporarry under occupation but not by banning whole Ukraine. Stop TERROrussia! Support Ukraine!

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 00:20:54 +0300
From: vs@liptel.net.ua
To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian blockings
Message-ID: <371073647-17887@mail.ipservices.pl>
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Hello
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