OK, I have had off list support from people who are maybe not quite willing to be seen above the walls (yet). I would like to put a proposal before the annual meeting - which I will NOT be able to attend personally. Is anyone else willing to carry this in my absence ? Let me guess, too late for this year... The core of the proposal is: -- It is proposed that the RIPE-NCC (a) immediately cease all activities not directly required for the management of those registry functions necessary to the continued well being of the Internet in Europe and other related territories, and (b) undertakes a program of rationalisation that reflects the ongoing commercial consolidation of it's membership while maintaining an efficient and adequate level of service. -- I want help with rewording (b) above. It is not quite right. i.e. "feel the pain" instead of "gravy train". rgds, -- Peter Galbavy Knowtion Ltd. uk.kml