I agree that this is ridiculous to block the whole country From: <ncc-services-wg-request@ripe.net> To: <ncc-services-wg@ripe.net> Sent: 10/27/2022 12:20 AM Subject: ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12 Send ncc-services-wg mailing list submissions to     ncc-services-wg@ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     ncc-services-wg-request@ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at     ncc-services-wg-owner@ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ncc-services-wg digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Transfers from Ukraine (Leonid Khorolets)   2. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (Max Tulyev)   3. Re: Transfers from Ukraine (????? ??????)   4. Ukrainian LIR (Serhii Khomenko)   5. Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs (Alexander Buzaev)   6. Ukrainian blockings (vs@liptel.net.ua) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:43:29 +0200 From: Leonid Khorolets <inetcomas29442@gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID:     <CAGYFX64NWKqszvYuGo1muUSf04yvV4ztYNTUxU9F3hqnjboRHg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221026/4b90df56/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:57:30 +0300 From: Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua> To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID: <4debcf2b-d2a6-504a-e0c6-eba456a0cfca@netassist.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative and even don't know about it. Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those who don't want that "protection". 26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????:

We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/

------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:35:48 +0200 From: ????? ?????? <x-ray@kct.net.ua> To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] Transfers from Ukraine Message-ID:     <CAASdiB3VOZYePzCkCDEOuatpUC3RLBQNv5d_52MdPqOze3Ykig@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I do not understand the procedure of the transfer ban proposal. Who and how will decide if resources are Ukrainian or not. And why should Ukrainian resource holders all suffer from the "Ban all" policy if DNR, LNR and RU should not? I think the idea about  "own decision button or e-mail request to suspend all requests from me for X mouns" is better and suites good for all purposes and more about free will, then just "ban all". ??, 26 ???. 2022 ?. ? 17:57, Max Tulyev <maxtul@netassist.ua>:

That exactly what I said today at the meeting. You saw only several LIRs want to block transfers for ALL. But a lot are against this initiative and even don't know about it.

Please protect only those of them who ask for it. And don't touch those who don't want that "protection".

26.10.22 18:43, Leonid Khorolets ????:

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We are against the initiative to ban all the transfers of IP addresses from Ukraine! We want to have this source of funds to keep our network running and pay salaries! Please note, there are NO CONSENSUS about transfer block in Ukrainian community, and those people on the meeting does not represent a majority of Ukrainian LIRs, they represent only themselves/

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-- ? ?????????, ????? ??? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221026/fc2bee54/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 23:18:23 +0300 From: Serhii Khomenko <khomenko.serhii.m@gmail.com> To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian LIR Message-ID:     <CABx+x=MPmDAAQds0pfXrkAL8ne1yDbGfiHwNVM+gv+u2ri7ATg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" As the Ukrainian LIR, I'm strongly against the ban of transferring Ukraine's resources! It won't help me at all, but it will cause me a lot of problems. I do not believe it will help to protect resources on the occupied territories. NCC hostmasters have to check all the "documents" from DPR/LPR/ other temporarily occupied territories very carefully. This is the only way. Please do not implement this ban!" Regards, Serhii -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221026/36d55436/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 00:08:58 +0300 From: Alexander Buzaev <alex.weeccomi@ukr.net> To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Do not ban the ukrainians LIRs Message-ID: <1666817524.0846757000.p6w15wla@frv55.fwdcdn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, I heard that someone propoused do not provide to ukrainian's LIRs possibilities to manage thair resourses (like transfering). It's totally insaine. How?a?limitation of our rights should?help us? Only russia should be banned!!! RIPE NCC has to do their job and protect LIRs that are temporarry under occupation but not by banning whole Ukraine. Stop TERROrussia! Support Ukraine! -- Alexander Buzaev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221027/fc08a601/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2022 00:20:54 +0300 From: vs@liptel.net.ua To: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Ukrainian blockings Message-ID: <371073647-17887@mail.ipservices.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hello -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ncc-services-wg/attachments/20221027/fac039c6/attachment.html> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/ncc-services-wg ------------------------------ End of ncc-services-wg Digest, Vol 116, Issue 12 ************************************************