Re: [ncc-services-wg] New service: ip2asn

I *assume* that the development of this service will be funded 100% by the paying customers of the TTM and that any benefit that RIPE members will gain will be as a pleasant and cost-free side effect ?
If not, why not ?
Peter
As this is talking money, benefits (or not) and activities of the NCC again, could we/you please try to use the proper terms?! Otherwise we get more confusion that we can handle. - RIPE does not have members. RIPE is the vehicle to support participation of the community in actvities related to the Internet in our region. - the individuals participating in RIPE do _not_ pay anything (other than in relation to attending RIPE meetings). - the RIPE _NCC_ is a membership organisation. Members do have a service contract with the NCC and pay for _all_ services rendered by the NCC; i.e. including those which are available to the users and organisations on the Internet. Thanks for your consideration. Regards, _________________________________:_____________________________________ Wilfried Woeber : e-mail: Woeber@CC.UniVie.ac.at UniVie Computer Center - ACOnet : Tel: +43 1 4277 - 140 33 Universitaetsstrasse 7 : Fax: +43 1 4277 - 9 140 A-1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe : RIPE-DB: WW144, PGP keyID 0xF0ACB369 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote:
As this is talking money, benefits (or not) and activities of the NCC again, could we/you please try to use the proper terms?! Otherwise we get more confusion that we can handle.
Please see previous threads where my pointed comments about the "management" and self-interes at RIPE use these distinctions to hide monetary and other activities from those who pay for them - i.e. us. I see no real life, day to day, distinction between RIPE and RIPE NCC. Peter

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Peter Galbavy wrote: (...)
I see no real life, day to day, distinction between RIPE and RIPE NCC.
Peter
As far as i read it: RIPE = People using/managing/whatever IP networks in "Europe Service Region" (and also some people with their own opinions from outside the region) RIPE NCC = People working in Singel, 258, Amsterdam. They carry out the guidelines issued by "RIPE". Example: You and me belong on the first definition. If we think a policy (or the way it is being carried out) is wrong, we can raise the discussion, and eventually get it changed. If you cant change peoples minds (those in RIPE, not RIPE/NCC) you will not be able to change policies (because RIPE works in the meetings as a "raise-your-hand" democracy). Regards, ./Carlos "Upgrade the Internet! -- Now!" -------------- [http://www.ip6.fccn.pt] http://www.fccn.pt <cfriacas@fccn.pt>, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN, Wide Area Network Workgroup FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional fax:+351 218472167 "Internet is just routes (125953/461), naming (millions) and... people!"
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Carlos Friacas
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Peter Galbavy
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Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet