tl;dr - what's the problem to be solved eith t&c's change? i bet almost all probes say isp because they somewhat promote isp, eg advertise it. by telling thei run in it's network. and same thing is seen from asn, automatically added i have never seen isp sucks in there but even that's not an issue. i haven't seen isp respond to those once newspaper wrote a piece of humor on chuck norris destroying telia estonia main building due questionable business decisions. it was work of art, complete with their registered trademark logos, and fake "reply" how they shoved the new offered vod tv show where it was told, despite did hurt a lot. isp didn't react ripe whois db is full of copyright information also is this probe naming thing ever a issue to this day? what's this pii / copyright info that ever would shared in probe info? i do not study a law but, like, logically speaking? who is protected from who? also why is ripe responsible? if only, they could remove it on request. why should ripe even respond at some cases? i think lots of people are lost their mind lately. remember all those pages where people write stuff. they are somehow hugely responsible what was written there. at worst, writer is disclosed but i wouldn't like prope owners to be disclosed to some shady party either what's the case that lead ripe do this anyway? also doesn't ripe atlas tos already say if you come in bad faith we can have that right to be taken away? we also need to fix the law because it seems like old farts, politicans, up there have screwed with us again. this is not the first time where socially good but technically bad people have come up with tech rules by themselves the sheer amount of cursewords that came from good willing tech people at gdpr is staggering. i don't talk with criminals but crime is by definition not following the laws so it won't affect them there was a comment here that basically said nerds never realize if they infringe. like, why one needs law anyway here? i never expected the ripe atlas being whipped into some kind of law issue. nor did i expect any of this discussion ever happen here i'm like, what the hell? oh, and isn't whole ripe a tech std org (etc) first? yeah this need to be fixed. maybe get rid of it althogether if it's not an issue. or you need to write even longer rules the recurring joke here is that european union regulates curvatures of bananas. they kind of did, but his this example of unnecessary regulation that won't protect anyone. there was no problem. if only, this opens a new door to people who want to use laws to make someone's life hell i bet this discussion continues on and on because techies don't just get it. probably noone infringed with anyone ever in their probe desc. and now we have endless discussion on what's name, is desc a name, etc On October 17, 2025 8:23:53 PM GMT+03:00, Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
I used to be a Gynecologists (but as the movie says: "What's the difference?" :-)-O) but ignore take-down correspondence from foreign jurisdictions.
That said, fair use would probably allow it anyway,
el
-- Sent from my iPhone On Oct 17, 2025 at 19:01 +0200, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, wrote:
Can I name/describe the probe with the name of the ISP it is connected to?
IANAL, but ... i guess it would depend on if the ISP has trademarked their name. but maybe check with your lawyer before you or the ncc get a take-down letter :)
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