Three improvement suggestions
Dear all, I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program: 1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system). 2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits. 3. Email notifications of when we have accrued 1,000,000 credits (my apologies if this is already a feature). I say this because I don't use my credits, so I don't want them to go to waste. It would be much more efficient if someone who needed them could access them any time (assuming I already gave permission for that (opted-in)). Let me know if anyone needs clarification about my suggestions. Best, -Michael __________________ Michael J. Oghia EuroDIG 2017 focal point (WS 11 <http://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_11_2017>) Independent #netgov consultant & editor Belgrade, Serbia Skype: mikeoghia Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> *|* LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia>
not sure if this is appropriate for the list or not, but I definitely am in the same boat. I don't use my credits and would love for them to be put to use. On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,
I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program:
1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system).
2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits.
3. Email notifications of when we have accrued 1,000,000 credits (my apologies if this is already a feature).
I say this because I don't use my credits, so I don't want them to go to waste. It would be much more efficient if someone who needed them could access them any time (assuming I already gave permission for that (opted-in)).
Let me know if anyone needs clarification about my suggestions.
Best, -Michael __________________
Michael J. Oghia EuroDIG 2017 focal point (WS 11 <http://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_11_2017>) Independent #netgov consultant & editor
Belgrade, Serbia Skype: mikeoghia Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> *|* LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia>
+1 on the idea in general, not likely to ever use most of my credits. Also we could make them into a virtual currency and a tradeable commodity, then we'll all be rich! Kyriacos On 30/05/2017 15:50, Neal Daringer wrote:
not sure if this is appropriate for the list or not, but I definitely am in the same boat. I don't use my credits and would love for them to be put to use.
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia@gmail.com <mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program:
1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system).
2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits.
3. Email notifications of when we have accrued 1,000,000 credits (my apologies if this is already a feature).
I say this because I don't use my credits, so I don't want them to go to waste. It would be much more efficient if someone who needed them could access them any time (assuming I already gave permission for that (opted-in)).
Let me know if anyone needs clarification about my suggestions.
Best, -Michael __________________
Michael J. Oghia EuroDIG 2017 focal point (WS 11 <http://eurodigwiki.org/wiki/WS_11_2017>) Independent #netgov consultant & editor
Belgrade, Serbia Skype: mikeoghia Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/MikeOghia> *|* LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeoghia>
On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:55:47 +0300 Kyriacos Sakkas <kyriacos@sakkas.eu> wrote:
+1 on the idea in general, not likely to ever use most of my credits.
Also we could make them into a virtual currency and a tradeable commodity, then we'll all be rich!
It would be nice to see a marketplace for credits, or at least the ability to trade them into RIPE merchandise (stickers, baseball hats, T-shirts[1]...?), so that regular participants could feel some thanks for running a probe over the years. But I guess the project does not include any budget for that. And with tons of people willing to give away their credits for free, there isn't any market for selling them either. [1] https://labs.ripe.net/Members/becha/tshirtback2.jpg/view -- With respect, Roman
On 30/05/2017 16:30, Roman Mamedov wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:55:47 +0300 Kyriacos Sakkas <kyriacos@sakkas.eu> wrote:
+1 on the idea in general, not likely to ever use most of my credits.
Also we could make them into a virtual currency and a tradeable commodity, then we'll all be rich! It would be nice to see a marketplace for credits, or at least the ability to trade them into RIPE merchandise (stickers, baseball hats, T-shirts[1]...?), so that regular participants could feel some thanks for running a probe over the years. But I guess the project does not include any budget for that. And with tons of people willing to give away their credits for free, there isn't any market for selling them either.
[1] https://labs.ripe.net/Members/becha/tshirtback2.jpg/view
My plan is foiled once again :)
Thank you all for the support for the idea. I'm not sure who would need to implement it (RIPE NCC I suppose?), but yes, I like the marketplace idea too. However, I'm happy to do it for free -- and making it easier for those who use the credits for measurements, for me, is plenty. I'll wait for a RIPE NCC staffer to respond as well. Best, -Michael On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Kyriacos Sakkas <kyriacos@sakkas.eu> wrote:
On 30/05/2017 16:30, Roman Mamedov wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:55:47 +0300 Kyriacos Sakkas <kyriacos@sakkas.eu> wrote:
+1 on the idea in general, not likely to ever use most of my credits.
Also we could make them into a virtual currency and a tradeable commodity, then we'll all be rich!
It would be nice to see a marketplace for credits, or at least the ability to trade them into RIPE merchandise (stickers, baseball hats, T-shirts[1]...?), so that regular participants could feel some thanks for running a probe over the years. But I guess the project does not include any budget for that. And with tons of people willing to give away their credits for free, there isn't any market for selling them either.
[1] https://labs.ripe.net/Members/becha/tshirtback2.jpg/view
My plan is foiled once again :)
On May 30, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Neal Daringer <neal@daringer.org> wrote:
not sure if this is appropriate for the list or not, but I definitely am in the same boat. I don't use my credits and would love for them to be put to use.
On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Michael Oghia <mike.oghia@gmail.com> wrote: Dear all,
I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program:
1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system).
2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits.
3. Email notifications of when we have accrued 1,000,000 credits (my apologies if this is already a feature).
I say this because I don't use my credits, so I don't want them to go to waste. It would be much more efficient if someone who needed them could access them any time (assuming I already gave permission for that (opted-in)).
Let me know if anyone needs clarification about my suggestions.
My problem is always finding someone to send credits to. You can share credits, but I don’t know who would want them. - jared
On 30/05/2017 15:23, Michael Oghia wrote:
Dear all,
I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program:
1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system).
Isn't the ATLAS "standing order" credit tab an answer for that?
2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits.
If you trust the person you can in the meantime use the "Share Access" tab in the Credit system. Regards, Hank
On 2017-05-30 14:23, Michael Oghia wrote:
Dear all,
I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program:
1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system).
2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits.
3. Email notifications of when we have accrued 1,000,000 credits (my apologies if this is already a feature).
I say this because I don't use my credits, so I don't want them to go to waste. It would be much more efficient if someone who needed them could access them any time (assuming I already gave permission for that (opted-in)).
Let me know if anyone needs clarification about my suggestions.
Best, -Michael
Hello, As Hank mentioned, the "standing order" is indeed the function to solve (1), and "share access" lets you authorise others to tap into your account mostly solving (2) within a trust realm. Even though we don't have email notifications about accumulated credits, there's an API to interact with the credit system, documented at https://atlas.ripe.net/docs/api/v2/reference/#!/api/Account_GET going a long way to self-build (3). The idea of a "credit marketplace" came up a few times before and so far it has mostly been handled by community interaction, i.e. users asking each other if in need or they have excess amounts. We could of course work on a more automated mechanism if this is widely considered to be a useful feature. The risk is this will evolve into a whole separate banking system, perhaps being a bigger undertaking than building RIPE Atlas itself :-) Regards, Robert Kisteleki RIPE NCC
Hi Robert, all: Thanks for addressing my questions. Indeed, "standing order" does solve my main question. Also, I visited the API link you sent, but honestly I have no idea how to use that information (I don't know any code). I meant that it would just be a simple email notification when we've hit a certain amount of credits (but then again, if it can do so automatically with standing order, then it's all fine). On further thought, I disagree with the credit marketplace system. I appreciate that this is a service we volunteer for and the measurements are also voluntary. With that said, though, I am sure there are many unused credits that those who run many measurements could use (especially if no one uses their credits). Could this be addressed somehow? Lastly, would anyone like to get around 1,000,000 credits from me every 5 weeks? I can set it up using the standing order process. Best, -Michael On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Robert Kisteleki <robert@ripe.net> wrote:
On 2017-05-30 14:23, Michael Oghia wrote:
Dear all,
I have three suggestions for how to improve the Atlas program:
1. Set up an automatic transfer system? That way, if someone accrues credits they would like to transfer, we can set it up to do so automatically once we hit 1,000,000 credits (think of it as similar to a bank's auto-pay system).
2. A system where, if someone needs extra credits, they can automatically request them to be deducted (with those who opt-in) from someone like myself with unused / extra credits.
3. Email notifications of when we have accrued 1,000,000 credits (my apologies if this is already a feature).
I say this because I don't use my credits, so I don't want them to go to waste. It would be much more efficient if someone who needed them could access them any time (assuming I already gave permission for that (opted-in)).
Let me know if anyone needs clarification about my suggestions.
Best, -Michael
Hello,
As Hank mentioned, the "standing order" is indeed the function to solve (1), and "share access" lets you authorise others to tap into your account mostly solving (2) within a trust realm.
Even though we don't have email notifications about accumulated credits, there's an API to interact with the credit system, documented at https://atlas.ripe.net/docs/api/v2/reference/#!/api/Account_GET going a long way to self-build (3).
The idea of a "credit marketplace" came up a few times before and so far it has mostly been handled by community interaction, i.e. users asking each other if in need or they have excess amounts. We could of course work on a more automated mechanism if this is widely considered to be a useful feature. The risk is this will evolve into a whole separate banking system, perhaps being a bigger undertaking than building RIPE Atlas itself :-)
Regards, Robert Kisteleki RIPE NCC
participants (7)
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Hank Nussbacher -
Jared Mauch -
Kyriacos Sakkas -
Michael Oghia -
Neal Daringer -
Robert Kisteleki -
Roman Mamedov