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07 Jun '98

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Iperdome Comments on the White Paper
by Jay Fenello 05 Jun '98

05 Jun '98

Iperdome Comments on the White Paper ATLANTA, June 5 -- After years of debate, and months of deliberation, the U.S. Government today released their long awaited Policy Statement on the Management of Internet Names and Addresses. Iperdome would like to thank Ira Magaziner, the Department of Commerce, and the many members of the Inter-Agency Working Group who have worked so hard on this difficult issue. Iperdome believes that the White Paper is a vast improvement over the MoU, and that it validates and addresses many of the concerns expressed by those who have opposed the IAHC plan. At the same time, Iperdome has some serious concerns with the possible results/outcome of "The Transition" as outlined in the White Paper. Over the next couple of days, Iperdome will review the details of the White Paper, then Jay Fenello will present a summary of these concerns to Congress when he testifies before the House Committee on Commerce as described below: http://www.house.gov/commerce/schedule.htm Wednesday, June 10, 1998 10:30 a.m. in 2123 Rayburn House Office Building Subcommittee on Telecommunications, Trade, and Consumer Protection hearing on Electronic Commerce: The Future of the Domain Name System. Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com

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correction in European hostcount for May 1998
by Mirjam Kuehne 04 Jun '98

04 Jun '98

Dear all, This time I was too fast with the publication of the hostcount :( The UK didn't make it this time. It was the .NL domain who had the biggest increase in May: approximately 60,000 more hosts were counted than in April. Sorry about this. Kind Regards, Mirjam

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04 Jun '98

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European Hostcount for May 1998
by Mirjam Kuehne 03 Jun '98

03 Jun '98

Dear All, Please find below the hostcount for May 1998. The table shows an increase since last month of over 200,000 (or 3,3%) to a total of almost 6,700,000 hosts in the DNS in Europe and surrounding areas. The UK domain shows the highest increase for May with approximately 23,000 hosts more than in April. The hostcount can also be found under ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount. The graphical version of the hostcount can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/hostcount/RIPE-Hostcount-{Mo,Qu}.eps The translation of the country codes can be found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes All this data can also be found at http://www.ripe.net/statistics/hostcount.html If you are interested in the historic hostcount data, bunyip Information Services has hosted the complete set of data since 1994 under ftp://ftp.bunyip.com/pub/netstats/ripe - Credits - I would like to thank all people who help me to create the hostcount every month by counting hosts locally: at Gerhard Winkler <Gerhard.Winkler(a)univie.ac.at> be DNS-BE Registration Office <tech(a)dns.de> ch Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> cz Jiri Orsag <Jiri.Orsag(a)eunet.cz> de Peter Koch <pk(a)TechFak.Uni-Bielefeld.DE> dk Robert Martin-Legene <robert(a)dknet.dk> es Jose Sanchez-Seco <jose.sanchez(a)rediris.es> fr Annie Renard <Annie.Renard(a)inria.fr> gr Dimitris Zisiadis <zisiadis(a)forthnet.gr> ie Mike Norris <mnorris(a)heanet.ie> il Shuki Kenan <shuki(a)netvision.net.il> it Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> li Marcel Schneider <schneider(a)switch.ch> no Havard Eidnes <Havard.Eidnes(a)runit.sintef.no> pl Mirek Luc <mirek(a)nask.pl> pt Armando Domingues <armando(a)rccn.net> ru Andrey Dobrotsvetov <adbr(a)ripn.net> sk Lubos Elias <Lubos.Elias(a)uakom.sk> sm Maurizio Martinelli <M.Martinelli(a)cnuce.cnr.it> Daniele Vannozzi <D.Vannozzi(a)cnuce.cnr.it> tr Yener Yigit <yener(a)knidos.cc.metu.edu.tr> uk Robert Stone <robert(a)nosc.ja.net> Kevin Hoadley <K.Hoadley(a)nosc.ja.net> If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind Regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Wed May 6 1998 This Count : Wed Jun 3 1998 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================== al 10 140 6 134 - 4 am 105 885 127 758 + 92 at 19021 167918 34482 133436 + 2666 az 42 366 10 356 - 71 ba 33 502 18 484 + 33 be 9923 197815 17893 179922 + 1254 bg 535 9538 532 9006 + 508 by 91 968 158 810 - 69 ch 32507 248015 34803 213212 + 1945 cy 543 4846 111 4735 + 305 cz 12383 74803 8121 66682 + 3471 de 119882 1500011 243520 1256491 + 32612 dk 48248 224800 28839 195961 + 6743 dz 3 52 0 52 + 1 ee 1809 21207 1307 19900 + 618 eg 585 2953 186 2767 + 122 es 9987 250378 9700 240678 + 20848 fi 6775 445994 13270 432724 + 18268 fo 110 589 18 571 + 258 fr 22130 465776 37163 428613 - 153 gb 2 37 0 37 - 5 ge 41 620 35 585 + 51 gr 4126 38461 3175 35286 + 2032 hr 1481 8753 792 7961 - 1746 hu 4920 73770 5922 67848 - 14654 ie 5143 49967 4943 45024 - 51 il 5989 123676 18789 104887 + 4832 is 1164 21701 778 20923 + 327 it 33372 368154 45663 322491 + 14158 li 534 1746 559 1187 + 131 lt 833 6098 430 5668 + 634 lu 1217 7661 1016 6645 - 47 lv 662 10830 1642 9188 + 175 ma 147 1677 262 1415 - 96 md 47 410 84 326 + 29 mk 190 789 81 708 + 116 mt 226 1725 230 1495 + 120 nl 35547 545818 58649 487169 + 63652 no 18342 320724 14989 305735 - 2727 pl 13272 125569 17736 107833 + 10024 pt 5713 49099 4224 44875 + 1363 ro 1320 19248 1379 17869 + 1493 ru 11837 155494 20278 135216 - 455 se 27338 402854 25105 377749 + 8617 si 2621 23567 2403 21164 + 217 sk 4326 21886 3751 18135 + 248 sm 35 241 5 236 + 7 su 989 45006 1713 43293 - 132 tn 8 193 97 96 - 1 tr 5879 39090 4102 34988 - 4157 ua 1139 25318 7600 17718 + 94 uk 102594 1434846 219108 1215738 + 37605 va 2 5 0 5 0 yu 1328 6342 446 5896 + 382 ============================================================== 577106 7548931 896250 6652681 +211683

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RIPE NCC office closed on Monday 1st June 1998
by RIPE NCC Staff 28 May '98

28 May '98

Dear Colleagues, Please note that the RIPE NCC office will be closed on Monday June 1st due to a public holiday. (Whit Monday). This means that there will no-one in the office to reply to your e-mail and phonecalls. The office will be open again on Tuesday 2 June 1998. Kind regards, RIPE NCC

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Re: PAB Opens Mailing List
by Jay Fenello 26 May '98

26 May '98

Hi David, Here is a posting about open lists, due process, and the public good. FYI & FWIW. Jay. >Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:31:54 -0400 >To: Kent Crispin <kent(a)songbird.com> >From: Jay Fenello <Jay(a)Iperdome.com> >Subject: Re: PAB Opens Mailing List >Cc: DOMAIN-POLICY(a)LISTS.INTERNIC.NET, pab(a)gtld-mou.org, > gtld-discuss(a)gtld-mou.org > >At 10:24 PM 5/23/98 -0700, Kent Crispin wrote: >>On Sun, May 24, 1998 at 12:38:32AM -0400, Jay Fenello wrote: >>> >> Apparently the PAB now has an readable >>> >> archive of their mailing list. Only the recent >>> >> entries are included. >>> > >>> >The PAB voted to open the list archive as of Jan 1. This is >>> >relatively old news -- >>> >>> This might be old news to you, but it certainly is new >>> news to me. More importantly, making a list archive >>> readable is not the same thing as making a mailing list >>> open. >>> >>> One of the reason's that the Internet community desires >>> open and transparent processes is so that all sides in a >>> controversy may have an equal opportunity to state their >>> position. In other words, you are more likely to hear >>> opposing points of view on an *open* list. >> >>Indeed. That is why gtld-discuss exists. The PAB list is for PAB to >>conduct its business, and is the means by which PAB votes. > > >I fail to see why one precludes the other . . . > >I am reminded of the history of C-SPAN. C-SPAN began >cablecasting the U.S. House of Representatives on March 19, >1979. The Senate, however, resisted broadcasting their >proceedings for over seven years. > >As I remember it, the Senators were concerned that it would >impact their abilities to do what Senators do if the people >they *represented* could see them doing it :-) > >To make a long story short, on June 2, 1986 the Senate >finally allowed their proceedings to be televised. No >major disruptions occurred, and in fact, many suggest >that we now have better government because of it. > >What concerns me about your statement is the implication >that because business and voting occur on a list, people >who are interested in its proceedings should be excluded. >And just like the Senators quickly realized, I believe >these restrictions are unfounded. > >With the pending release of the White Paper, we will >hopefully have some answers to the following questions >on Internet governance: > - who will have authority for what. > - what legal jurisdiction(s) will be used to resolve > conflicts. > - what coordinated functions will be managed for the > public good. > >IMHO, those functions that are being managed for the public >good *MUST* have open processes. Unfortunately, we seem to >be moving in the opposite direction. > >Over the last couple of days, we have seen some of the >organizations that currently manage Internet resources >take actions to quiet dissenting voices on their lists. > >While there may be occassions where this is warranted, I do >object to the lack of due process that was used. Without a set >of list standards <like http://www.open-rsc.org/lists/rules/>, >any actions taken against any individual may be considered >arbitrary and biased, and potentially unfair. > >In closing, if PAB really wants to evolve to become the Policy >Advisory Board to the new Name Council (if that should come to >pass), I suggest that it become more inclusive with a more open >list. > >Given the technical skills available in this community, there >is no reason why we can't use Internet techonology to provide >for a free and open flow of information. Let's work together >to make *Internet* governance the *best* governance the world >has ever known. > > >Regards, > >Jay Fenello >President, Iperdome, Inc. >404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com >

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25 May '98

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Re: Johnson, Farber, Maher and Cochetti
by Jay Fenello 21 May '98

21 May '98

FYI: >Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 13:00:10 -0400 >To: Dave Farber <farber(a)cis.upenn.edu>, > Roger Cochetti <rogerc(a)us.ibm.com>, > "David W. Maher" <dwmaher(a)ibm.net> <david.johnson(a)counsel.com> >From: Jay Fenello <Jay(a)iperdome.com> >Subject: Re: Johnson, Farber, Maher and Cochetti >Cc: domain-policy(a)open-rsc.org, DOMAIN-POLICY(a)LISTS.INTERNIC.NET > > >At 11:28 AM 5/21/98 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote: >> >>FYI: >> >>http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/Johnson.htm > > >After a quick review, I believe that you have addressed many >of the issues raised in this debate. Thank you for a job well >done, and the hard work that went into it. > >I'll have some additional comments after I have had a chance >to review your proposal in more detail. > > >Regards, > >Jay Fenello >President, Iperdome, Inc. >404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com >

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Cultural Values (was: APNIC's Censorship)
by Jay Fenello 20 May '98

20 May '98

>All property, Karl, is the result of common law. Some, like land or >your chair, have been with us for millenia, so we no longer recognise >that the notion of property itself is an invention -- but naturally it >is. The reason your chair is yours is because of longstanding >convention, and not because the rules of physics require it. > >David Conrad was merely pointing out, rationally, that what gives >APNIC, ARIN, and the IANA itself power is not a law saying "Joe owns >IP addresses" but the fact that providers voluntarily route based on >those number allocations and recognise them. The "property" like >feature of the numbers does not derive from the integers themselves >but because of the fact that people will route them. Given this, the >value is not granted by the government, which does not even have laws >on the allocation of integers, but by the consent of the entire >community. Due to the great success of the Internet, the traditional methods of managing Internet resources are evolving. Some of the questions being addressed in the Green Paper are 1) who is in charge, and 2) what legal jurisdiction(s) should apply. One difficulty in establishing the latter is that legal jurisdictions are directly related to cultural values. I am encouraged by recent information that suggests that the White Paper will embrace the following . . . At 12:25 PM 4/21/98 -0400, Jay Fenello wrote: >In our emerging cyber-world, competition >between ideas and cultural values must also be encouraged, >as it is likely to lead to a new understanding of our >connectedness. Everything we do should encourage this >competition. > >Consequently, I suggest that the proper course of action >is to support a global Internet that gives U.S. Values >the opportunity to compete on an equal footing with other >soveriegn and cultural values. I would like to suggest that, rather than arguing about how things used to be, we start working together to establish how things *ought* to be. For this to happen, the old guard must realize that their success has expanded their historical management roles to include policy issues that have traditionally been in the governmental arena, issues like privacy, free speech, etc. By looking forward, both sides of this debate can work together for the greater common good. Regards, Jay Fenello President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-250-3242 http://www.iperdome.com

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