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ANNOUNCEMENT - 16th RIPE meeting
by Anne Lord 10 Aug '93

10 Aug '93

R I P E meeting announcement ============================ This is to announce that the 16th RIPE meeting will take place: Dates: 15 September 14:00h - 18:00h 16 September 09:00h - 18:00h 17 September 09:00h - 16:00h Venue: CWI Kruislaan 413 1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands Host: NIKHEF Registration: Please use the registration form (which will follow in a separate mail) to give notice of your coming as soon as possible. General Information: -------------------- Currency: 1 UK pound = Hfl 3.- 1 ECU = Hfl 2.2 1 US$ = Hfl 1.90 Appended to this announcement: ------------------------------ - directions to the meeting place Documents to follow (separate mail messages): --------------------------------------------- <> details of hotels in Amsterdam close to meeting venue <> registration form for attendance at the meeting ================================================================== CWI - The RIPE meeting venue: How do I get there? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To ease any possible confusion, two postscript maps can be found in the RIPE document store. One shows the bus and tram stops around the meeting site and the other is a more general map of the area. Both maps are available by ftp: /ripe/docs/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps /ripe/docs/Next-Meeting/area-map.ps.Z /ripe/docs/Next-Meeting/local.transport-map.ps /ripe/docs/Next-Meeting/local.transport-map.ps.Z *PLEASE NOTE: The number 69 and 169 now end at Amstel station rather than Muiderpoort station. The number 15 now connects the Amstel station with Muiderpoort station. a) From Amsterdam Schipol airport: <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the Central Railway station (Amsterdam CS). Then from Amsterdam Central Station : <> Take tram number 9 till the stop at the intersection of Middenweg and Kruislaan (15 min ride). The stop is just before the intersection. <> Walk down the Kruislaan in the direction of the railway bridge. Cross under the bridge and continue. Take the 2nd entrance left and follow the signs to the meeting (15 min walk all together). Instead of walking down Kruislaan you can take the shuttlebus for 2 stops. Turn into Kruislaan and the bustop is a little way down on the right hand side of the road. or from Central Station you can: <> Take bus 22 in the direction 'Indische Buurt' to the stop at the 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66 which stops outside CWI. b) Alternatively from Amsterdam Schipol <> Take the train from the airport railway station to the RAI station in Amsterdam, which is at the end of this line (10 min ride). NOTE: Amsterdam Central Station (CS) is on another line. Then from the RAI station: <> From the RAI station take the city bus number 69 or CN bus number 169 in the direction `Amstel Station'. From the Amstel Railway Station <> From the Amstel station take the city bus number 15 the direction `Muiderpoort Station' to the stop on the corner of Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg (15 min ride, ask the driver where to get off) or proceed to 'Muiderpoort Station' and take shuttlebus 66. You can also take the shuttlebus 66 from the Kruislaan and Linnaeusparkweg intersection as described above. d) Taxi from the airport <> Takes 15 mins and will cost approximately Hfl. 60.00 e) Connections away <> Tram 6 will take you to Leidseplein Tram 10 also Leidseplein Tram 14 To and from Dam Square Tram 9 Rembrandtplein f) Bus 66 Timetable <> From Muiderpoort Station (Monday - Friday) 7.20 7.40 8.00 8.20 8.40 9.00 9.20 9.40 10.10 10.40 11.10 11.40 12.21 12.51 13.21 13.51 14.21 14.51 15.21 15.51 16.11 16.31 16.51 17.11 17.31 17.51 18.11 <> From CWI to Muiderpoortsation (Monday - Friday) 7.28 7.48 8.08 8.28 8.48 9.08 9.28 9.48 10.18 10.48 11.18 11.48 12.28 12.58 13.28 13.58 14.28 14.58 15.28 15.58 16.18 16.38 16.58 17.18 17.38 17.58 18.18 <> This bus is a shuttle bus that operates from Muiderpoort station in a large circle around the CWI and NIKHEF campus. ==================================================================== Public Transport - how much does it cost and where can I get tickets? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Tickets of 15 strips (`Strippenkaart' costing Hfl. 10.75) can be bought in Post Offices, railway stations and cigarette shops. Tickets of 2 and 3 strips can be bought on the bus or the tram but they are much more expensive. You have to validate the ticket yourself in the metro stations and in the trams (except on lines 4 and 13). In the buses the driver will validate the ticket. Amsterdam is divided into zones: the old city is in zone `Centrum' whereas CWI is in zone `Oost'. You need to count how many zones you will be travelling through (from the centre - CWI is 2 zones) and count up that number of strips on your ticket + 1 extra. So in the above example you will need to stamp the 3rd strip. In case of overflow you stamp the last strip of the first ticket and start counting the remaining strips on the next ticket. Confused? Warning: BEWARE of pickpockets in crowded places.

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Joseph Michl 05 Aug '93

05 Aug '93

Christian Huiteme is right. The x.25 is a well spreaded, well understood, well working and calculable network infrastructure in germany. It is right that for an IP dominated network you can think for an better infrastructure. But the point is not to have the best infrastructure, but to have at least one good. And with the x.25 network (WIN) we have one. So I think it is more right to say: because of this x.25 infrastructure there are so many IP Hosts connected in germany, and not in spite of. Concerning "trouble enhancement layer": There are problems with x.25, but they are resolvable. With every other protocol you have some problems. The way should therefore be to work at the problems and not to condemn a whole protocol. Regards, Joseph

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DELETE ME FROM THE RIPE-LIST, please.
by Otto Skultety 05 Aug '93

05 Aug '93

Please, delete me from the ripe-list. Otto Skultety skultety(a)mff.uniba.cs

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by pwj＠informatics.rutherford.ac.uk 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

Rob: I infer from the various messages that have followed the latest RIPE hostcount that there is some interest in the networking plans of the JANET community. The message below describes one of the things that has been done. There are others in hand and being considered. If you like, I'll be happy to give a short talk at the next RIPE meeting about our plans, and the challenges we are facing. Some of these challenges are unique to our community (or are you running 'yellow book' too? :-), but others are I think general. Anyway, I'd rather give a talk than enter into discussions on the mailing list. Comments welcome, Phil (p.jones(a)jnt.ac.uk) ----- Begin Included Message -----

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RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Marten Terpstra 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

People, below the RIPE DNS hostcount for July 1993. - all countries that have less hosts in this count have been counted once more, but none gave better results. - DE is getting very close to be the first European country to reach 100,000 machines. - in total an increase of almost 21,000 to almost 427,000 - History again appended - output again on ftp.ripe.net:ripe/hostcount, also available in the gopher server on gopher.ripe.net under "RIPE Archive"/"ripe"/"hostcount" Enjoy, -Marten RIPE DNS Hostcount Previous Count : Wed Jun 30 1993 This Count : Sun Jul 31 1993 CY SOA COUNTED DUPL REAL CHANGE ============================================================ al 1 0 0 0 0 at 280 12721 101 12620 + 1441 be 51 4323 87 4236 + 461 bg 1 0 0 0 - 1 by 0 0 0 0 0 ch 155 31195 714 30481 + 1653 cs 102 2804 54 2750 - 184 cy 5 30 0 30 0 cz 84 3260 76 3184 + 450 de 1372 92926 3412 89514 + 3951 dk 105 6601 93 6508 + 529 dz 0 0 0 0 0 ee 15 193 1 192 + 14 eg 1 0 0 0 0 es 246 10133 133 10000 + 976 fi 263 26736 761 25975 + 616 fo 1 0 0 0 0 fr 439 38833 482 38351 - 1516 gb 1 14 0 14 + 7 ge 1 0 0 0 0 gr 87 1316 216 1100 + 97 hr 17 327 0 327 - 96 hu 26 1414 7 1407 + 135 ie 41 1704 37 1667 + 60 is 33 1237 10 1227 + 21 it 349 14377 196 14181 + 1244 il 78 5510 55 5455 + 639 li 2 17 0 17 0 lt 1 0 0 0 0 lu 12 207 1 206 + 28 lv 2 16 2 14 + 6 mt 1 0 0 0 0 nl 376 35662 377 35285 + 2051 no 403 24922 235 24687 + 2466 pl 57 1123 7 1116 - 1965 pt 89 2786 64 2722 + 240 ro 2 14 0 14 0 se 445 32629 280 32349 + 1071 si 10 459 3 456 + 13 sk 21 306 7 299 + 105 su 132 523 29 494 + 192 tn 2 12 1 11 - 3 tr 9 189 1 188 + 12 ua 29 23 4 19 + 16 uk 633 90478 10749 79729 + 7168 va 0 0 0 0 0 yu 2 2 0 2 0 ============================================================ 5982 445022 18195 426827 +21897 History Oct 1990 31724 Nov 1990 33665 Dec 1990 29230 Jan 1991 43832 Feb 1991 - Mar 1991 44506 Apr 1991 46948 May 1991 - Jun 1991 63267 Jul 1991 - Aug 1991 73069 Sep 1991 92834 Oct 1991 104824 Nov 1991 129652 Dec 1991 - Jan 1992 141308 Feb 1992 161434 Mar 1992 167939 Apr 1992 170050 May 1992 182528 Jun 1992 196758 Jul 1992 213017 Aug 1992 221951 Sep 1992 232522 Oct 1992 254585 Nov 1992 271795 Dec 1992 284374 Jan 1993 303828 Feb 1993 322902 Mar 1993 355140 Apr 1993 366164 May 1993 385522 Jun 1993 404930 Jul 1993 426827

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Arnold Nipper 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

>Sender: piet(a)mcsun.eu.net > > - DE is getting very close to be the first European country > to reach 100,000 machines. >With 90478 hosts the UK is also pretty close. >Interestingly, both countries once were X.25 >addicts where IP was a curse... :-) > That's not absolutely true! Long time ago there was *ONE* party which did not recommend IP as an open protocol. But as I said, that was before yesterday. > > Piet Arnold

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Kevin Hoadley 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

>>Even more interesting is much (almost all in the UK case) still runs on top >>of X.25 infrastructure. Who says X.25 PLP is redundant (don't answer -- >>was a joke from someone who put a lot of the glue in place). As of yesterday, most of the JIPS backbone now runs native IP at 34Mb/s; the first steps towards something I'm sure ! Kevin Hoadley, JIPS NOSC. ----- End Included Message -----

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Dave Morton 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

>Even more interesting is much (almost all in the UK case) still runs on top >of X.25 infrastructure. Who says X.25 PLP is redundant (don't answer -- >was a joke from someone who put a lot of the glue in place). > >--Tony. > Tony, I'm sure the community will forgive you for your past sins, implementing the glue, was adequate penance in itself :- Cheers, Dave

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Dave Morton 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

>> Even more interesting is much (almost all in the UK case) still runs on top >> of X.25 infrastructure. Who says X.25 PLP is redundant (don't answer -- >> was a joke from someone who put a lot of the glue in place). > >This is even more true for DE. And we probably will for better or worse >likeley keep up with these traditioned way even longer than the UK. Some >of us still have their fingers deep in this glue... > >Toerless Toerless, Glad you said "some of us" ....... Dave

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Re: RIPE DNS Hostcount July 1993
by Dave Morton 04 Aug '93

04 Aug '93

> > Interestingly, both countries once were X.25 > > addicts where IP was a curse... :-) >one the other hand it seems they are pursuing to get rid of the "trouble >enhancement layer" that in less fortunate parts of the continent is still >considered a conditio sine qua non :-( > >Cheers, > Ruediger Gee Ruediger, pray tell us, now where might this less fortunate place be ? No - don't bother - I think I might just know offhand. Interestingly it is now more technically possible and financially sound to use ISDN in the "place" mentioned than X.25 but anyway, I wander. Regards, Dave

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