Daniel, I hope you understood that I was deliberately provocative. I do agree that what you says is important for us - I just wanted to highlight that might not be important for the new "reform makers". I would like to hear more voice saying something similar what you said. This is missing, and I do not understand why. ICANN might loose its orientation to the reality and this is very dangerous. If we agree on the tasks of ICANN, this is the first important point. OK, let's listen if other members of the RIPE community support you, fully or partially, or have different opinions. HI FOLKS THERE, PLEASE EXPRESS YOUR OPINIONS, OTHERWISE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT RIPE IS DEAD! There is now way to build bottom up consensus if there are no voices to listen!! If we were in a room, listen to the breathing would be enough, but now it is not! You are right, that discussion of the structure of the future ICANN might be too early at the beginning, however, this should be the important second step, and for people, how think similarly about the real role of ICANN as you think, there is no real matter for discussion just the "organisation". Best, Geza