Dear Colleagues, [ Apologies for duplicate mails ] Please find below the RIPE 35 draft plenary minutes. The draft plenary minutes are also available on our website at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/plenary-minutes.html Kind regards, Sylvana Wenderhold RIPE NCC --------- 35 RIPE Meeting Plenary Minutes - DRAFT RIPE 35 Amsterdam, 22-25th February 2000 Plenary Session Chair: Rob Blokzijl Scribe: Sylvana Wenderhold 1. Opening 2. Agenda 3. Minutes RIPE 34 4. From the Chair 5. Report from the RIPE NCC 6. ICANN/ASO - Andrew McLaughlin 7. Millenial Mail - Dave Crocker (Email Scaling, Unified Messsaging, Email Marketing & Spam) 8. Reports from the Working Groups 9. Next Meetings 10. AOB 11. Close -1. - Opening RIPE Chair Rob Blokzijl welcomed the participants to the 35th RIPE Meeting. -2. - Agenda The RIPE meeting participants approved the agenda. -3. - Minutes RIPE 34 The RIPE 34 plenary session minutes were approved as a fair report. Rob thanked Naomi. -4. - From the Chair Rob Blokzijl, Chairman of RIPE had nothing new to contribute. Bettina Schroeder, RIPE NCC's Office Manager announced that RIPE 36 will be held in Budapest and RIPE 37 will be held in Amsterdam. For Budapest 16-19 May 2000, Bettina advised booking early (option open until March 20th) for the hotel rooms. Information about the hotel, in which the meeting will be held, will be placed on the RIPE NCC website. An additional three or four hotels will be given as alternatives for attendees who do not wish to stay in the same hotel where the meeting takes place. For Amsterdam on 12-15 September 2000, Bettina also advises early booking as there are several conferences planned in Amsterdam at that time. It is therefore advisable to use R&S, the RIPE NCC's booking agent, mentioning you will be attending the RIPE meeting. The address and telephone number will also be placed on the website. Q. From the audience - Where will RIPE 37 take place? A. Bettina - Hotel Krasnapolsky. Gordon Lennox introduced himself and spoke about working at the Directorate General of the European Commission. He explained that Internet Related Services was a new unit created last year within the Information Society of the European Commission. Gordon deals with policy and regulation in Telecommunication Services. This includes Internet Governance (ICANN, GAC, dot.eu), Telecoms Reg., e-commerce, IPR, Data Protection and Computer Related Crime. There are ten staff involved. Gordon is currently involved in the move towards the dot.eu as a TLD. He requests input from the RIPE community as to how this should be done. He mentioned that there are many questions on how to do this and requests that the community visits the European Commission's website and contributes ideas. http://europe.eu.int/comm/index_en.htm Gordon talked briefly about Computer Related Crime. He mentioned that the Council of Europe, the G8 and others are preparing a Commission Communication (planned for June), to be discussed and thereafter, implemented. Some items will have a direct impact on the Internet community, therefore, input is strongly requested from the community as it is presently lacking. Gordon mentioned that the music industry let the Commission know that piracy is a big issue at the moment. A meeting is planned for mid-March, followed by another in April. Gordon requested those who plan to attend the meeting to inform him. For Gordon Lennox's presentation: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/presentations/index.html -5. - Report from the RIPE NCC Axel Pawlik gave a short introduction about himself. Axel started as the new Managing Director in October 1999. He has been getting to know the staff and the Board members as well as general things about RIPE NCC. He thanked everyone for the warm welcome. Job descriptions have slightly changed for some staff members. He is open to questions at any time. Concerns and complaints may also be addressed to him. Mirjam Kuhne reported on the status of the RIPE NCC. The following are the major staff changes; Managing Director: Axel Pawlik Chief Scientist: Daniel Karrenberg Head External Services: Joao Luis Silva Damas External Relations: Mirjam Kuhne Mirjam's position has formed in response to a need to promote the RIPE NCC and RIPE. Emphasis will be put on finding ways for people to participate and include new players in the RIPE open forum. * The host count was discussed. There seems to have been a big increase. * New Members were discussed. There has been a growth of one and a half to two new members per day. * New LIRs per region were discussed. There are 551 new member LIRs: 512 in Europe; 31 in the Middle East and 8 in Northern Africa. * Database statistics: Queries have reached 7/sec. (last year 5/sec.). There are 11 updates/min on average and it was reported that the database object exceed 3.5 million (compared to 2.5 million last year). * Trends is distribution were discussed. * The number of new requests in Hostmaster mails was discussed. * AS numbers were discussed. See slides for statistics: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/presentations/index.html Q. From the audience - How many LIRs are currently RIPE members? A. Mirjam - approximately 1800 Services The Activity Plan 2000 (ripe-197) and the RIPE budget were approved by all members last September. RIPE NCC provides membership services such as Test Traffic, in addition to its regular services. New projects include routing information services and the routing registry consistency project. * The nicest slide was the empty one, showing the list of Y2K bugs. Nothing of any importance went wrong over the New Year period. External Communications The RIPE NCC has a new 'corporate' look, which includes a new logo, website and house style. These changes will be implemented from 1/3/00. There will be a total of 41 training courses given during the year and the new, improved material will be utilised. The Annual Report for 1999 is in preparation and will be ready before the next RIPE Meeting. Registration Services Mention was made of the tremendously increased workload for IPv4. Mirjam thanked the membership for their patience while RIPE NCC improves this. The policy document for IPv6 is being rewritten and the working group has been very helpful with comments. RIPE Database Mirjam reported that the RIPE NCC is busy implementing the new database. There have been some performance problems with the database. These have been fixed with the help of more hardware and the software has been treated. See: http:/www.ripe.net/db/ Mention was made that the Database Consistency Report will be further discussed in the Database working group. There are so far 135 maintainer objects for PGP. People are clearly making use of it. For information on the database reimplementation see: http:/www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/bd/reimp/index.html RIR Coordination Mirjam reported an excellent cooperation between the RIRs and welcomed Richard Jimmerson of the ARIN staff to the meeting. It has proved very useful to exchange information between RIRs. Mirjam reported that RIPE NCC has been working on database consistency. It is felt that data should be stored in the region where the database is actually kept. Mirjam will keep the RIPE community updated on this issue. For Mirjam's presentation: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/presentations/index.html New Projects - Henk Uijterwaal Henk introduced himself as the manager of the New Projects Group. He specified that this department is working on three projects, namely, Routing Information Services (RIS), Routing Registration Consistency Checking and Test Traffic Measurement (TTM). * Routing Information Services (RIS) was first presented at RIPE 34. It is available on the web as ripe-200. The proposal was finalised in October 1999. Henk requested feedback from the audience on the project. * Routing Registration Consistency Checking is becoming a new project. It is available on the web as ripe-201. * Test Traffic Management (TTM) has been a project for almost three years and is becoming a new service. Forty-three measurement boxes are already in the field and that number will double during the course of this year. TTM will become a regular service as of this year. There will be no fee for this service in the year 2000. However, next year the costs will be approximately EUR 3000 and it will cease to be paid from the general RIPE NCC budget. This fee will include the operation of the test box, as well as maintenance and support. Q. Rob Blokzijl - Are the Test Traffic Measurement services available for members only? A1. Henk - Yes. But if you are not currently a member, you can become one. A2. Daniel Karrenberg - Most requests for boxes are expected to come from ISPs but there could also be requests from others. The fee will mean they automatically become a member of RIPE NCC. This will allow them to have the same input as other members and use the same open structures. Other services will follow suit, for instance RIS. Daniel praised RIS as being a useful service. Remark from the audience - Who will have access to the Test Traffic data? A couple of parties would be interested in the data without wanting to host the equipment. Henk - There has been a policy in effect for almost two years that prevents this. Only in exceptional cases will we share the data. Henk asked the audience if they were interested the concept as presented, or if perhaps change was needed. He also inquired whether they would be willing to pay for the service. A show of hands indicated that approximately 10-15 members were interested in TTM. Fewer showed interest in paying for the service. The same 10-15 members showed interest in the concept. No changes to the concept were suggested. For Henk's presentation: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/presentations/index.html -6. - ICANN/ASO Rob presented a short introduction about ICANN. Andrew McLaughlin pointed out that Rob is a member of the ICANN board. Andrew had two agenda points, first to give a brief history of ICANN and secondly to preview the ICANN agenda for the next few months. * Andrew explained that the basic idea behind ICANN is to internationalise the set of policy functions relating to DNS and IP addressing systems, while at the same time keeping it in the private structure - meaning a non-governmental managing structure. Prior to ICANN, this was done through the US government, specifically by Jon Postel of IANA and his staff. The US government indicated a need for change. There were six issues that needed addressing. * the globalisation of the Internet * the commercialising of the Internet * the need for greater accountability in the policy making structure * the need for more formalised management structure * the dissatisfaction with the lack of competition in the market for domain name registration services * the conflict between the trademark system and the domain name system * The serious concern about the concequences if something happened to Jon Postel. It was decided to initiate a movement to replace IANA as a policy making structure. The US government created a White Paper set out to fulfil four goals: * stability * competition * private bottom-up co-ordination * global and functional representation This organisation had to be non-profit. On the 9 February 2000, IANA's functions were transferred to the ICANN in a contract with the US government. During this transition several important items have presented themselves, of which, three main issues remain to be completed. These are: * achieve registry agreements with 243 country code top level domains * achieve agreements with the three Regional Internet Registries * establish relations with ICANN and root server operators. 30 September 2000, is the target date for ICANN to settle these issues. Andrew explained the ICANN structure to the audience, DNSO, ASO, PSO and At Large (see slide). He urged the membership to visit the website and register for voting purposes. Andrew then discussed the ICANN staff and explained the ASO and the ad-hoc group. The annual budget is set to be $4.3 million, but will be more like $3.3 million. Los Angeles meeting results were given and Andrew referred to the agenda for the Cairo meeting (7-10 March 2000). For more information contact Andrew at ajm@ICANN.org Q: From the audience - Is the financial situation of the ICANN not a bit shaky? A: Andrew - The situation is presently quite solid. Andrew advised the audience to check the website for a list of donations from various sources. For the past four or five months all has been well. There were no more questions and Rob pronounced that "Europe is satisfied." For Andrew's presentation: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/presentations/index.html -7. - Millennial Mail (Email Scaling, Unified Messaging, Email Marketing & Spam) David Crocker delivered a presentation of which the slides can be found at: http:/www.brandenburg.com/presentations/millenial-mail.ppt or http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/archive/ripe-35/presentations/index.html David began his presentation by stating that Internet mail has been around for 25 years, a long time for technology. Very often, when technology has been around for a long time, it is common practice to replace it altogether. However, the question is, is it suffering or benefiting from being around for so long? David explained that when using email for major communications for a long period of time it becomes apparent that possibly protocol and certainly the user agents have poor long-term tools. It should be easier to store and retrieve things and to correlate treads of discussion. The quality of service must be improved and long-term tools are needed. The question is, is enhancement or replacement necessary? David mentioned scaling, which can mean both 'increasing the size' and 'overcoming a barrier.' Due to more complicated messages, email is no longer simple and will be even more demanding in the future. There is a real need to be able to handle more messages, especially where types of messages begin to vary, in part due to the use of html. Sending mail around the world today is as easy and inexpensive as it is locally. It is as simple to send Internet mail to many people as it is to one person. Yet, time zones continue to cause problems that cannot be overcome. David's conclusion is that Internet mail is useful for the exact purpose it was designed for. The problem is that it is used for more than it is designed for. More usage is added, without it being modified. David explained User Agent - Mail Transfer Agent (UAMTA). He discussed protocols and mentioned that security technology is a major failure in the Internet services, as only a fraction of users intentionally utilise authentication and privacy mode in their private mail. Internet mail needs control of timing of delivery, fax and instant messaging. Instant messaging has popped up with great success and a completely independent technology. The idea is to make email go quicker. We need to use the second protocol that already exists and makes messaging instant. Why utilise a completely different technology? Confirmation in the fax world needs to be seen as safe. Marketing studies indicate that people demand confirmation. David expressed that he personally desires to get a confirmation only in particular transactions, in the case of hotel reservations and purchase transaction. Commercial transactions should be able to have receipts confirmed and printed. The MX record in the domain name system is referred to as the email routing protocol. It is incredibly effective. Real Routing protocols are needed. Attachments should be definitely legible at the other (receiving) end. Legitimate volume mail is the opposite of spam. Spam is unsolicited and there is no relationship between the receiver and the sender. Spam gives many problems. Although not all volume mail is so terrible, like opt-out, it is often really 'spam in sheep's clothing.' Another option, 'opt-out' also has many limitations; they don't solve the problem. 'Opt-in' lists, on the other hand, work much better. In this case the receiver asks to be on the mailing list. The response rate in much higher and almost no one gets angry. It is important to distinguish between spam and legitimate opt-in lists. E-mail based marketing is definitely here to stay. Companies like Publisher's Clearing House send millions of mails at once and the existing e-mail system cannot cope with these numbers, although they are only the tip of the iceberg. A way to distinguish spam from legitimate volume mail is needed. If you filter opt-in volume mail customers will become unsatisfied. There is a need to filter spam from legitimate opt-in mail. Dave went on to explain Unified Messaging. Suggestion made either to 'throw Internet email out and start over' or 'keep adding'. Both ideas must be reconciled. There were no questions and Dave thanked the audience for their attention. * Naomi de Bruin of the RIPE NCC is leaving and was presented with a 'thank-you' bouquet of flowers for her many years of hard work. 8. - Reports from the Working Groups Rob Blokzijl told the audience of a Working Group Chairs meeting on how to improve the efficiency of Working Groups. Good ideas were proposed at this meeting and there will be an effort to better define the Working Groups. Bettina Schroder will make sure the suggestions are on the website shortly. TLD/CENTR WG ------------ Chair: Niall O'Reilly Attendees: approx. 50 Scribe: Gert van Velzen (RIPE NCC) Report from: Sharon Bush There were about 55 percent attendees from the TLD registry community, 40 percent from registry ISP community, and approximately five from other registries. This working group is closed as of yesterday and replaced by the new CENTR-WG and a DNR forum, which will take place at the RIPE meetings indefinitely. The forum is open to all interested parties. Fay Howard gave an update on CENTR activities. Kevin from CENTR gave a short report on the technical workshop. (Please visit the CENTR website at: http://www.centr.org) Niall O'Reilly will present the minutes in the near future. A mailing list will be set up, and will include all old TLDs. Meeting Details * CENTR DNR-Forum launched to replace RIPE TLD-WG * First meeting attended by 50 people * Participation from registries, ISPs/registrars and others Objectives * Succeeds RIPE TLD-WG (primarily non-technical issues at first) * In response to calls from ISPs/Registrars * Open to all with interest in Domain Name registration CENTR Update * Fay Howard, CENTR GM gave an update on CENTR activities * Political and policy Forum (GA) * Legal Forum (lawyers from member registries addressing legal issues of cc TLDs) * Technical Forum (report from Technical Workshop 21/22 February) * New Public Forum which is the DNR-Forum Round up from last TLD-WG * Niall O'Reilly gave a progress report on outstanding actions from TLD-WG Minutes * DN objects in the RIPE Database RIPE NCC proposal * Those TLDs using RIPE Database to have action plan by 31/3/00 to remove their objects * Anticipated date for removing objects is 30/6/00 Establishing the DNR-Forum * Physical Meetings with RIPE Meetings * CENTR to make public mailing list -DNR-Forum@centr.org- to include: Participants of the DNR-F, old TLD-WG list * Fay Howard and Sharon Bush to chair next meeting - situation to be reviewed Work Plan * Registry contracts with registrants & registrars - to be revisited after CENTR collects data on current practices * Registration Templates - small Task Force to work to document current practices, problems, requirements and make recommendations. Draft paper for next meeting * Data Protection, Zone file access & users-Task Force to produce draft paper documenting potential uses of zone file information (statistic, host count, searches, etc) * Data protection implications * Changes in registry policy on registration and renewals CENTR Secretariat to make What's New Web page to announce changes to the policies of member registries (happy to announce other) Consulting the local community on registry policies * Presentations from AFNIC (.FR) and Denic (.DE) will be placed on website * Future agendas to include information from other registries Creation of .eu TLD * summary of CENTR press release * community urged to comment on the European Commission's working document: http://www.ispo.cec.be/eif/InternetPoliciesSite/DotEU/WorkDocEN.html There were no questions. Routing WG ---------- Chair: Joachim Schmitz Attendees: 92 Scribe: Emil Gorter (RIPE NCC) Slot 1: 9:00 Report from the RIPE NCC (Joao LS Damas) Transition to RPSL, status Consistency checking of the IRR, status Report on the IRR at RADB (Gerald Winters) Running RPSL Java interface IRRj Scaling issues Encouragement for distributed registries Report on RIS (Henk Uijterwaal) http:/www.ripe.net/ris prototype for testing Slot 2: 11:00 --- Focus on Multicast Routing Reports from Backbones TEN-155 (Jan Nowak) Ebone (Peter Lothberg) Reports from Public Exchange Points Stockholm DGIX (Peter Lothberg) Amsterdam AMS-IX (Niels den Otter) London LINX (Steve Walker) Reports from Networks Renater (Bernard Tuy) SURFnet (Niels den Otter) Please record: Mulicast tutorial RIPE 36 Actions 31.R1 on RIPE NCC, D. Kessens, J. Schmitz Basic design for an Ipv6 IRR - postponed - 32.R1 on RIPE NCC, JLS. Damas: Prepare draft document on issues of ripe-181 to RPSL transition -in progress - 34.R1 on C. Panigl: Provide update to ripe-178 - in progress (Joao reported on the RIPE NCC. Gerald Winters reported on IRR at RADB. Henk Uiterwaal reported on RIS. The RIPE NCC is reported as fully using RPSL. Reports for Backbones - Jim Nowack and Peter Lothburg. Reports for Public Exchange Points - Stockholm, Amsterdam and London. Reports for Networks - Renate, SURFnet. Please note the Multicast Tutorial at RIPE 36 (Tuesday) Please enlist! Joachim noted this to be an interesting WG. There were no questions. DNS WG ------ Chair: Reudiger Volk Attendees: 62 Scribe: Lee Wilmot (RIPE NCC) This was a very short meeting. The documents that had been worked on were checked and the final one (SOA) actually published. ripe-203 has also been completed. A DNS SEC workshop was given. A number of problems were mentioned at the ad-hoc meeting regarding scaling and continuation of the host count statistics. Reminder to the community - In DNS there is no way to protect against attacks. Be aware of the issue! There were no questions. EIX WG ------ Chair: Keith Mitchell / Mike Hughes took his place in his absence Attendees: 68 Scribe: Vanessa Evans and Eugenio Pierno (RIPE NCC) IX Reports * AMS-IX 81 members, peak 1.5 Gbps New switch architecture * CERN 20-25 members * LINX 95 members, peak 1.4 Gbps New sites coming onstream soon * Slovakian IX 23 members * SFINX 48 members SFINX-2 in rollout * VIX 52 members, peak 370 Mbps Y2K Reports * "Official" report, from LINX (Keith Mitchell) Increased level of hacker activity during day of 3111/12 One member saw large DoS attack at their borders around midnight * It was generally agreed went smoothly for European XPs Ipv6 * No exchange has yet registered Ipv6 allocation * AMS-IX did some successful tests with 6bone prefix Difficulty registring Ipv6 allocation, as not LIR * Still problems with buggy Cisco code * Need for better understanding between IXPs and Ipv6 adopters IXP Switching Wishlist * Presentation, by Mike Hughes (LINX) followed by discussion about switch features desirable for exchange operators * Policing and prevention of potentially disruptive traffic, plus scalability and resilience * Action on Christian Panigl (VIX/ACOnet) and Mike Hughes (LINX) to work on requirements documents, which can be used to guide switch vendors * Interest from non-IXP engineers * Report back at RIPE 36 Thanks! * Chair - Keith Mitchell in Fearghas' absense * Scribe - Vanessa Evans * Niels from SurfNET for the ad-hoc visit to the AMS-IX! There were no questions. IPv6 WG ------- Chair: David Kessens Attendees: 124 Scribe: Monica Cortes (RIPE NCC) AGENDA A. Administrative stuff - appointment of scribe - agenda bashing (David Kessens) B. Comments on the Provisional Assignment on Allocation of IPv6 addresses Document (ipv6-wg & lir-wg) - Why is a dial-up link treated differently - should such users get a /48 or a /64 - Public or private addresses recommendation for point-to-point links. - What constitutes 80% utilisation (David Kessens is looking for a volunteer from the RIPE NCC for an introduction on the issues - other speakers are also welcome to volunteer) C. status of 6bone (David Kessens) D. Issues with filtering of �Pv6 in IPv4 packets (Thomas Trede) E. IPv6 forum progress (David Kessens is looking for a volunteer) F. European developments/initiatives regarding Ipv6 (input from the audience) G. Reports on on-going projects, success & failure stories on Ipv6 (David Kessens looking for volunteers who are willing to share their experiences) Z. AOB The allocation of Ipv6 addresses document was reviewed. Statistics of 6bone were discussed, as were filtering of v6 and v4 packets. Ipv6 forms were discussed. David summarised the EOF session. TLA assignments to Exchange Points were also discussed at the WG meeting. Q. Rob - If AIX needs Ipv6 blocks, what then? A. Might be a problem. LIR WG ------- Chair: Hans Petter Holen Attendees: 116 (75 from LIRs) Scribe: Paul Tate The open forum where policy is made. Not just for Local Internet Registries but for all of you. http://www.ripe.net/wg/lir/index.html 1. Administration (scribe, participants list, charter, mailing-lists) 2. Agenda 3. Meet the RIPE NCC hostmasters 4. RIPE 34 minutes actions (mostly done) 5. Reports from the registries RIPE NCC APNIC ARIN Status of the LACNIC and AfriNiC 6. Report from the address council 7. The policy making process 8. Establish final selection procedure for the address council 9. Domain objects in the database 10. AOB The AC selection procedure must be formalised. ASO AC timetable was shown. (Nominations, who may vote, how to vote) Nominations must be made well in advance of an election. Nominees must be present themselves at RIPE 36 in Budapest and RIPE 37 in Amsterdam and will be on the mailing list. Use the mailing list to support your nominee. Members of the RIPE community must be present to vote. A secret ballot will be held at the plenaries. One seat, one vote. Winner has most votes. Q. From the audience - If you can't be present at the meeting, can you still vote? A. Hans Petter - We haven't figured that out yet. Daniel Karrenberg mentioned the upcoming dilemma of the members who cannot attend a particular meeting and therefore cannot vote. While the voting system does work, this matter must be taken into account. We must seek a better solution for voting procedures but Budapest already needs a final solution which will stand up to scrutiny. Hans Petter mentioned that Electronic Voting gained no support when suggested on the mailing list. Niall O'Reilly has a suggestion, but will post it to the mailing list. It was concluded to decide things in Budapest and hold the election at RIPE 37 in Amsterdam in September. Hans Petter briefly discussed IP addresses to GPRS infrastructure. Chair will set up a technical task force with the help of Mirjam Kuhne. Volunteers were requested for help on this. The agenda for RIPE 36 is ready. He concluded his presentation by showing the pictures of RIPE NCC hostmasters on the screen. Database Working Group ---------------------- Chair: Wilfried Woeber Attendees: 65 Scribe: Engin Gunduz (RIPE NCC) Highlights: * Database - Software re-implementation progressing, beta 2 available, some functionality still in the works TF being set up to support the implementation effect Security Issues: * Semantics of maintainer needs * Advisory to be produced to go for stronger authentication i.e. > crypt-pw, better: PGP New Ideas: * Start to think about a smarter whois client, e.g. look into DNS to find hints for -h host * Ways to register pointers to CERT/IR Contacts brainstorming needed Logistics: * Input received to improve on relations to other registry entities (U.S. mostly) dburg@arin.net - implementation TF, stay tuned * Help required to run the working group better than before - working on finding out how to make best use of the resources available * Many thanks to Nigel Titley and Database group within the RIPE NCC - Still looking for others to broaden the base - Many thanks to all the folks who have contributed to get us to where we are! * Security alert - Buffer-overflow vulnerability in Database - Software Server code. Patch available, see CERT alert and/or mailing list (db-wg@ripe.net) archives! Q. From the audience - Did anybody suggest deprecating the security issue? A. Wilfried - We want an advisory precisely for that reason. Wilfried passed on Joao's message that the members refer to the DB-WG for information on security issues. NetNews Working Group --------------------- Chair: Felix Kugler in the absence of Brad Knowles Attendees: 26 Scribe: Tricia Diamond (RIPE NCC) 1. NHNS (Daniel Diaz/Juan Garcia) * History * Current status: 7 NHNS servers 10 TLHs covered * Implementation ready, including installer * Script for clients! Http://galore.satec.es Things to work on: * easier use for TLH maintainers * integration into DNS tree * mechanism to determine age of NHNS data sets * wider deployment 2. WG administrative (Rob Blokzijl and WG) This WG shall continue to exist, but with more stable structures! We have a new chairman: Dave Wilson (HEAnat) Backup chair: Felix Kugler (switch) There were no questions. Anti-Spam Working Group ----------------------- Chair: Rodney Tillotson Attendees: 35 Scribe: Gerry Berthauer (RIPE NCC) * Good practice guide for ISPs Blacklists Recommend use of MAPS RBL - http://maps.vix.com/ Not able to endorse others Filtering Viruses Products and services available Legal problems - make it attractive Opt-IN Mailing lists Direct marketing industry Need BCP Anti-spam BCP LINX - RIPE Document How not to be an originator of spam Not all technical Very small changes Canonisation WG, large majority wanted it; no objections RIPE Meeting Install 6 March 2000 Use It! You're probably doing it already. Proposed RIPE BCP on UBE (spam) Draft Daniel Karrenberg briefly reported on the WG. See website for presentation. Test Traffic will be a regular service very soon. A new batch of test boxes are currently being built and will be available in a month or two. Secret Working Group -------------------- Ambrose Magee gave his usual comic contribution. It was greatly appreciated. -9. - Next Meetings RIPE 36 16-19 May 2000 Budapest RIPE 37 12-15 September 2000 Amsterdam RIPE 38 22-26 January 2001 Amsterdam RIPE 39 May 2000 Bologna, Italy -10. - AOB There was no other business to discuss. -11. - Close Rob thanked everyone for attending and hoped to meet again at the next RIPE Meeting in Budapest in May 2000.