​Hi Dennis,

Thanks for the lengthy mail, you touch upon many valid points, however one point is not valid:

Article 2.3
"The RIPE NCC reserves the right to amend this Agreement. The RIPE NCC
shall notify the Member of such amendments at least one month before
these amendments come into effect."
This clause is almost certainly unenforceable. It is also ridiculous.
It says the RIPE NCC can make any change it wants to this agreement at
any time (after you have signed it) without any consultation with any
individual, group or community and without any consensus, approval or
acceptance and put the change into effect and expect all LIRs to
comply with the change. If the NCC wants to fix the simple grammar
errors, they would probably get away with it. Any substantive change
would almost certainly be met with a legal challenge. They cannot
impose a substantive change on 20k+ signatories.

Actually, they can. Under Dutch law you have the option to update the T&C,
inform your customers about the change and give them some time (3 months is
standard) to either accept or move out. Customers can accept the updated T&C, 
by either doing nothing or by accepting them explicitly, so the new T&S will be 
come active on the communicated date. Or they can reject the changes, this means 
normally the agreement ends. This is a real shocker to many foreign companies (I 
know from experience),  but it is possible and common practise in NL based contracts.

​-- 
IDGARA | Alex de Joode | alex@idgara.nl | +31651108221

On Mon, 31-01-2022 16h 20min, denis walker <ripedenis@gmail.com> wrote:
Colleagues

[I make no apologies for the length of this email. There are so many
errors to discuss. For an overview you can stop reading at the line of
'----'. Below that is the detailed review of all the errors.]

I have been reading lots of policies, procedures and
agreements/contracts over the last couple of months to catch up with
current and historical developments of address policy and it's
application to allocating resources. It has been an eye opener. Right
now I want to focus mainly on the 'RIPE NCC LIR Account Agreement'.
Most of the documents I have read are poorly written. This is probably
one of the worst. I will itemise below the details of what is wrong
with this document. But firstly I will point out some of the serious
mistakes.

In this agreement there is a definition in Article 1...

-RIPE NCC services
The Membership Services provided through an LIR account as specified
in the current version of the RIPE NCC Activity Plan.

In the 'RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement" there is also this
definition in Article 1...

-RIPE NCC services
The Membership Services as specified in the current version of the
RIPE NCC Activity Plan.

There are no Membership Services specified in the current version of
the RIPE NCC Activity Plan. There hasn't been such a specification
since the activity plan of 2017. So for the last 5 years all the
active SSAs and LIR Agreements have been referring to an 'empty list'.
As both these agreements revolve heavily around these services, I have
no idea what the legal significance is of agreements based on an empty
list of services.

Another serious issue is the absolute, total lack of any legal
definition of an LIR (Local Internet Registry) and LIR account and the
relationship between LIR and Member. I have not been able to find any
such definitions anywhere on the ripe.net website. I fear they may be
mentioned in some early RIPE document written 20 years ago that no one
could reasonably be expected to find in relation to these agreements.

Then we have in Article 3 of the SSA:
"the Member acknowledges and accepts that it has obtained the right to
use the RIPE NCC services under the conditions outlined in this
agreement."

And in Article 3 of the LIR Agreement:
"the Member acknowledges and accepts that it has obtained the right to
use the RIPE NCC services through this LIR account under the
conditions outlined in this Agreement."

So under what conditions can a Member use these (undefined) services?
-those in the SSA
-those in the LIR Agreement
-a superset of the two sets
-the intersection of the two sets

**********
I want to put forward a suggestion that the RIPE NCC engages the
services of, or employs, a professional contract lawyer to review and
if necessary re-write all of the agreements/contracts used by the RIPE
NCC. Or at least someone with legal training and experience in the
area of contract writing.
**********

It was said in a zoom meeting last Wednesday (about reviewing the PDP)
that we should keep to a minimum the legal terminology and rely on
common sense. That was a valid mindset in the 1990s when the internet
was mostly an 'old boys/girls club'. In 2022 this is a very different
global, critical industry. The IPv4 market has also changed this
industry. There is so much money invested in IPv4 addresses that one
'wrong' decision by the RIPE community could face a legal challenge.
If the RIPE NCC has to go to court to defend such an action they would
have a better defence based on rock solid, well written, legally
watertight contracts than based on a set of poorly written,
contradictory documents, common sense and a generally accepted view of
how things work(ed).

Almost every document I have read has mistakes in it. Some have lots
more than others. I wondered why people sign contracts with so many
mistakes. Then I realised that most of the Members are not native
English speakers, and neither are their lawyers. They almost certainly
pass these documents through some translation app. Probably they
accept some of the errors as translation errors. So if they go to
court over these contracts it will be a case of an LIR arguing over
what they think they signed, vs the RIPE NCC defending what they think
they wrote. Neither will be a true reflection of reality.

I know some people will criticise me for pointing out 'trivial'
grammar errors in this document. (Some people will just criticise me
anyway.) They will say they are not important. There are much bigger
issues to deal with. We don't want to get lawyers involved in this
process. Common sense will always prevail. If it ain't broke don't fix
it...etc etc. This LIR Agreement is a legal contract at the core of
the RIRs business (and it is broken). The quality of this document
should reflect the professionalism of the RIR. As a legal contract it
should be rock solid, well written and legally watertight. If there is
ever a legal dispute with a Member, this contract, along with the
equally error ridden SSA, may take centre stage. Do you really want to
gamble on a contract that looks like it was written as an
undergraduate project? For a native English speaker reading these
documents, the grammar errors just leap off the page. They are trivial
to find and fix. (So why have they not already been fixed?) For the
legal and other content errors, a contract lawyer would not be
expected to make such basic, clumsy mistakes. It is the three 'C's
that present the biggest problem - Consistency, Continuity and
Contradiction. Someone needs to have a clear view in their mind of the
entire document set. When a document is changed or a new document is
written they should know where to look to ensure integrity is
maintained across the whole set. That simply has not been the case up
to now.

----------------------------------------------------

So let's look at this LIR agreement in more detail. I am basing my
comments on this version:
https://www.ripe.net/about-us/legal/ripe-ncc-lir-account-agreement

There is no definition of LIR or LIR account or any explanation of the
relationship between a Member and an LIR (account).

Article 1
"The Membership Services provided through an LIR account as specified
in the current version of the RIPE NCC Activity Plan."
There is no list of services in the activity plan.

Article 2.2
"To enter into this Agreement for additional LIR accounts the Member
must send to the RIPE NCC...one copy of the Agreement containing the
handwritten signature of an authorised representative of the Member."
This is ambiguous. It could suggest you sign one agreement for the
initial LIR and one agreement for all additional LIR accounts, not one
agreement for 'each' additional account. It should say:
"To enter into this Agreement for each additional LIR account, the
Member must..."

Is it possible for a Member to delegate operational control of an LIR
account to another (anonymous) company or natural person in the same
way some Members delegate management of their RIPE Database objects to
a consultant? It is not clear if an LIR account is an administrative
concept or something tangible that can be delegated. As the initial
LIR account is not subject to any agreement (see below) that one can
certainly be delegated.

Article 2.3
"The RIPE NCC reserves the right to amend this Agreement. The RIPE NCC
shall notify the Member of such amendments at least one month before
these amendments come into effect."
This clause is almost certainly unenforceable. It is also ridiculous.
It says the RIPE NCC can make any change it wants to this agreement at
any time (after you have signed it) without any consultation with any
individual, group or community and without any consensus, approval or
acceptance and put the change into effect and expect all LIRs to
comply with the change. If the NCC wants to fix the simple grammar
errors, they would probably get away with it. Any substantive change
would almost certainly be met with a legal challenge. They cannot
impose a substantive change on 20k+ signatories.

The SSA says:
"2.3 The Member acknowledges and accepts that the RIPE NCC Standard
Service Agreement may be amended by a resolution of the General
Meeting of the RIPE NCC according to the procedure outlined in the
RIPE NCC Articles of Association. An amendment shall automatically
become effective upon the date mentioned in the resolution or the date
of first publication of the resolution of the General Meeting and the
full text of the amended agreement on https://www.ripe.net, whichever
is the latest, without the re-signing of the RIPE NCC Standard Service
Agreement being necessary."
The same conditions must apply to changing the LIR Agreement.

Article 3.3
"The Member acknowledges applicability of, and adheres to, the RIPE
Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents."
Use of 'Member' and 'LIR' are interchanged throughout these documents.
This agreement is about an LIR account. Do policies also apply to the
LIR account or just to the Member? This is not clearly defined.

Article 3.4
"The Member shall provide the RIPE NCC with complete, updated and
accurate information necessary for the provision of the RIPE NCC
services and shall assist the RIPE NCC with audits and security checks
as outlined in the RIPE NCC procedural documents, and in particular
with the RIPE NCC procedural document “Due Diligence for the Quality
of the RIPE NCC Registration Data”."
Is this the same information required by Article 2.2 of the SSA?
Articles 2, 3 and 6 of the SSA overlap considerably with Articles 2
and 3 of the LIR Agreement. Such overlaps encourage contradictions
between separate contracts.

Article 3.6 refers to the document ‘Closure of Members, Deregistration
of Internet Resources and Legacy Internet Resources'
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-775
This document (ripe-775) was last updated on 30 Dec 2021, which is
quite recent. Yet in Section B.1.b it says:
"Internet number resources are allocated/assigned based on a specific
need. When the original technical requirements or the business purpose
for the use of the Internet number resources changes, the
allocation/assignment becomes invalid. If the RIPE NCC notices any
change in the original technical criteria or the original business
purposes for using the Internet number resources, the RIPE NCC is
authorised to deregister the relevant Internet number resources."

This conflicts with ripe-733 'IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment
Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region', Section 5.1 which says:
"On application for IPv4 resources LIRs will receive IPv4 addresses
according to the following:

- All allocation requests are placed on a first-come-first-served
waiting list. No guarantees are given about the waiting time.
- The size of the allocation made will be exactly one /24.
- The sum of all allocations made to a single LIR by the RIPE NCC is
limited to a maximum of 256 IPv4 addresses (a single /24). If this
allocation limit has been reached or exceeded, an LIR cannot request
an IPv4 allocation under this policy."

No mention of any 'need' based requirement. This has been the case at
least since November 2019. This shows the lack of continuity and
contradictions between these documents.

Article 3.7 says:
"Unless otherwise specified in this Agreement, this Agreement is valid
only for one specific LIR account. If the Member wishes to operate an
additional LIR accounts, the Member shall sign an additional RIPE NCC
LIR Account Agreement."

Note the plurality of "an additional LIR accounts". It may be a simple
typo. But as written it supports my comment above on Article 2.2 that
maybe only one agreement needs to be signed for all additional LIR
accounts.

Article 4.2
"The Member's obligation to pay any fees corresponding for the LIR
account of this Agreement"
'for' instead of 'to' - Another simple grammar error.

Article 4.3
"The Member shall make the payment to the RIPE NCC within 30 days of
date of invoice"
of 'the' date - Another simple grammar error. (Or perhaps even 'within
30 days of the date of the invoice')

Article 4.4
"without prejudice to any other of the RIPE NCC's rights which it may
revoke against the Member in connection with the latter's failure to
effect (timely) the payment."
'other' is in the wrong place, 'to any of the RIPE NCC's other rights'
'revoke' instead of 'invoke'
'(timely) the payment' instead of 'the (timely) payment'
More simple grammar errors.

Article 4.1 refers to the 'RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2022' and
Article 4.6 refers to the 'RIPE NCC Billing Procedure and Fee Schedule' document
This takes us off into billing and fees documents. I have reviewed
these documents at the end.

Article 5.2
"The Member shall be entitled to terminate this Agreement at any time."
It doesn't say if the Member needs to give any notice period. Maybe:
"The Member shall be entitled to terminate this Agreement at any time
with immediate effect."

Article 6.1
"The Member shall also be liable for all aspects of its use and all
that ensues from its use from the Internet number resources."
It should say 'its use of the Internet...'
This wording, 'its use', only puts liability onto the Member if they
use the resources themselves. It does not put liability onto the
Member if they allow someone else to use the resources by assigning
them. The wording should be 'the use' or 'any use'. Then the Member
accepts full liability for use of these resources by anyone.

Article 6.6
"The Member shall indemnify the RIPE NCC against any and all third
party claims filed against the RIPE NCC in relation to the Member's
use of the RIPE NCC services."
Again the indemnity is limited to claims resulting from only the
Member's use of the services. This article should say:
"The Member shall indemnify the RIPE NCC against any and all third
party claims filed against the RIPE NCC in relation to the any use of
the RIPE NCC services provided to this Member through any of it's LIR
accounts."
Then it doesn't matter who is using the services.

Article 6.7
"In any event the RIPE NCC's liability shall be limited to a maximum
amount equivalent to the Member's service fee of the relevant
financial year"
This may apply in the event of the Member filing a claim against the
RIPE NCC. If a third party files a claim against the RIPE NCC, I don't
think the RIPE NCC can set it's own limit on the claim within an
agreement the third party has not signed.

Article 7.2
"The RIPE NCC's intellectual property (agreements, documents,
software, databases, website, etc.) may only be used, reproduced and
made available to third parties upon prior written authorisation from
the RIPE NCC."
If the Member has been allocated address space and they sub-allocate
part of that space to another organisation, this is an acceptable use
of the address space. By making assignments from the sub-allocation
the second organisation will make use of the RIPE Database. This is an
acceptable use of the RIPE NCC's intellectual property (database)
without written authorisation needed.

Article 8.2
"Any disputes that may arise from this Agreement shall be settled in
accordance with the RIPE NCC Conflict Arbitration Procedure."
This highlights one of the base issues with this LIR Agreement. It
clearly started life as a copy of the SSA which was then modified to
create the LIR Agreement. If you replace 'this Agreement' with 'the
RIPE NCC SSA' you have the basis of Article 11.2 of the SSA. The
problem in this Article 8.2 is that the Conflict Arbitration Procedure
(ripe-691) is specific to the SSA. Disputes arising from the LIR
Agreement are not within scope, according to both the Introduction and
Section A.1. of the Procedure. But even in Article 11.2 of the SSA
"shall be settled" should be changed to "may be settled". There is
always the option to take a dispute to a national court.

(Incidentally after a quick read, I only found one error in ripe-691.
In Section C.1. "timeframe cannot not exceed".)

Article 2.2
"By signing the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement as instructed by
the RIPE NCC the Member confirms that they have read, understood and
agree to be bound by the terms of this agreement for an initial LIR
account."
After writing all of the above I was told by a Member that they don't
sign an LIR Agreement for their initial LIR account. It is somehow
implied by signing the SSA. The LIR Agreement is only signed for