Hi, On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 07:25:03AM +0000, Andy Davidson wrote:
In the past, the RIPE Community Chair and the chair of a RIPE Committee/Task Force/Working Group could have had a conversation about a problem regarding RIPE community oversight to an NCC person or function or service. Right now, they can't because the RIPE Chair and the Chair of this Committee *work for the NCC*, and one reports to the other. Do you not see how this is a governance problem, however accidentally derived? Yes or no?
No. Well. You are mixing (at least) three things here, and it would be good if you speak more precisely about what you are talking about. Because the differences are very significant. There is the RIPE Interim Chair which happens to be RIPE NCC MD - which is something we all want to *end*. It will end sooner if we can present a successor as planned. Then, there is the RIPE NomCom Chair - who happens to be an NCC employee, yes. But the rules of this game are very clear: follow the process described, lead the NomCom in a neutral and transparent way, do not influence the candidate selection. The NomCom members are not newcomers to this game of politics and influence-taking, so we can judge well what Daniel is doing (exactly what he was asked to do, in a very painstakingly neutral and correct way). And then there's RIPE working group chairs, RIPE task force chairs, who have nothing to do whatsoever with the question at hand (NomCom and WG chair) - but yes, the question can of course be asked "do we have a problem here". But this is a different topic, and should not be randomly lumped all together. By - good - tradition, the chairs of the address policy and NCC services working group are not NCC employees, because that could indeed cause conflicts of interest, while it's very hard to construct such a conflict for, say, the IoT WG - but strictly speaking, this is a matter for the respective WG or TF to decide who they want and trust as their chairperson. Gert Doering -- NomCom member, APWG chair, NCC member, Community member -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279