Re: Bangemann Commission Document available from the Web
BUT remember what happened when an EU initiative was not market driven. Remember GOSSIP. I have a tender request in front of me from a Government department which demands GOSIP compliance. They want some PCs on a LAN connected to a data-base UNIX engine with access to JANET. All because of EU legislation attempting to lead rather respond to the market. With IP the project would be trivial. Otherwise where do I get GOSIP software for a PC? I can just about get it for X.400 and X.29 but FTAM? You will also need a
My team has ported Isode FTAM to DOS for X.25 over ethernet based on the edinburgh rainbow software. It will also interoperate with dynamic address mapping by IS10030 (SNARE) to allow for easyer administration on a local ethernet. You can get the software if you like (i think). We don't do UK specific standards though, like JANET name resolution, but that shouldn't be so much of a problem.
Ok, probably not the answer that you expected. You see, this kind of revelation ("We do OSI, We implement OSI and we even do it for DOS *yuck*) is not only offending to you but embarrasing to me too. So better forget it and go back to the brave new world of the Internet.
Toerless - are you admitting your efforts were not market driven either ? Dave
Ok, probably not the answer that you expected. You see, this kind of revelation ("We do OSI, We implement OSI and we even do it for DOS *yuck*) is not only offending to you but embarrasing to me too. So better forget it and go back to the brave new world of the Internet.
Toerless - are you admitting your efforts were not market driven either ?
Yes, shame upon me *grin*. You see, i think this whole discussion is a hoax. Being at a university i really see no point in this discussion. A university when doing research is in it's best opening up markets and not trying to fill existing markets with products (thats what the industry is good for). The failure has been that public money was spent on universities but without letting them decide what they want to do research for, so in the end it was something like the EU or BMFT saying that they think it's the best for Thompson, Siemens, Phillips (or whomever of these politically influential companies) if everybody is now only getting money for things that the USA do not do, just to keep them off our EU market. Just remember EG Richtlinie 13 !! THE VERY SAME THING IS HAPPENING NOW. YOU WONT GET ANY MONEY FROM NO PUBLIC FUNDS FOR NETWORKING IF YOUR REQUEST DOES NOT CONTAIN THE WORD ATM ON EVERY SECOND LINE !! Thats what i'm criticising. The market is what politicians think is good for industry and they don't care a shit for research in itself. Toerless
THE VERY SAME THING IS HAPPENING NOW. YOU WONT GET ANY MONEY FROM NO PUBLIC FUNDS FOR NETWORKING IF YOUR REQUEST DOES NOT CONTAIN THE WORD ATM ON EVERY SECOND LINE !!
I propose a research program on an EU wide banking network using TCP/IP to connect all the Automatic Teller Machines together and to homes so that the user can pay for video on demand, carry out home shopping and even particpate in e-mail and multimedia conferences about Another Terrible Mistake by the EC. Pharmacists in hospitals around the EU wil lbe able to prescribe drugs such as Adenozine Tri-Molybdomate, and high-school children and teachers will be abe to undertake Aptitude Testing and Marking with off-the-shelf technology such as cisco, wellfleet, proteon, and Spider Systems (an EU based company, not an American Technology Magnate) can provide right now jon do i get the money?:-)
do i get the money?:-)
You failed to include the phrase "...free and open democratic discourse." Bzzzzzt. Sorry.
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