RIPE 90 Lisbon Hotel Booking Conditions
Hi, Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU. Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO. You have been warned. Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: +81 90 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
Hey Ole, I happen to live in Lisbon (and not even 100 meters from the Epic SANA) and sadly, this is the case at many of the larger hotels in town. Especially those who have conference capablities. The only way to get around it is to book at one of the smaller hotels who often have payment when checking in or out, or to go through a travel agency which often has managed to negotiate better payment terms.. Regards, LG
On 25 Nov 2024, at 15:36, Ole Jacobsen via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU.
Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO.
You have been warned.
Ole
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Dear all, Thank you, Ole, for your email and Lars for your reply. As many of you are aware, rates in the hospitality industry have been steadily increasing. Throughout our negotiations with EPIC SANA, the RIPE 90 venue, our priority has been to secure the best possible rates for our attendees. Flexible options, such as no-deposit bookings or free cancellations, unfortunately come with significantly higher costs. I am pleased to share that we have reached an agreement with EPIC SANA to make the booking process more accommodating: - Reservations made before 1 April 2025 will require a deposit of only one night. - Reservations made on or after 2 April 2025 will require payment for the full stay upfront. We hope this arrangement helps our community with their planning and encourages early bookings. Best regards, Gergana Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC On 26/11/2024 10:48, Lars Forsberg wrote:
Hey Ole,
I happen to live in Lisbon (and not even 100 meters from the Epic SANA) and sadly, this is the case at many of the larger hotels in town. Especially those who have conference capablities. The only way to get around it is to book at one of the smaller hotels who often have payment when checking in or out, or to go through a travel agency which often has managed to negotiate better payment terms..
Regards, LG
On 25 Nov 2024, at 15:36, Ole Jacobsen via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU.
Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO.
You have been warned.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: +81 90 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
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On 2 Dec 2024, at 15:18, Gergana Petrova <gpetrova@ripe.net> wrote:
I am pleased to share that we have reached an agreement with EPIC SANA to make the booking process more accommodating
Many thanks Gergana. Your hard work persuading the hotel to be sensible is much appreciated. Changing the subject, there’s a stupid new law in Spain that demands hoteliers get all sorts of unreasonable Personal Data from their guests and pssses that to the authorities. Because terrorism, organised crime, etc. [Obviously terrorist gangsters always tell the truth and never, ever use aliases.] I hope the NCC will bear that in mind when considering locations for future meetings.
Thanks Gergana! Just one more thing... As I received an email from the hotel asking for payment for the one night deposit, can you confirm that https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt is a legit site? I am a bit concerned about the "Some credit cards may not allow a payment of this type due to the authentication security system imposed by the bank (3D Security). We advise contacting the bank in order to guarantee that the feature is in need of confirmation to be activated to make the payment through the link. Please note that American Express cards and Debit cards are not eligible to make the payment using this type of web link, for that the payment can also be made via bank transfer." part. Generally I prefer to use Amex specifically because they are pretty good at dealing with scammers. Julf On 02/12/2024 16:18, Gergana Petrova wrote:
Dear all,
Thank you, Ole, for your email and Lars for your reply.
As many of you are aware, rates in the hospitality industry have been steadily increasing. Throughout our negotiations with EPIC SANA, the RIPE 90 venue, our priority has been to secure the best possible rates for our attendees. Flexible options, such as no-deposit bookings or free cancellations, unfortunately come with significantly higher costs.
I am pleased to share that we have reached an agreement with EPIC SANA to make the booking process more accommodating: - Reservations made before 1 April 2025 will require a deposit of only one night. - Reservations made on or after 2 April 2025 will require payment for the full stay upfront.
We hope this arrangement helps our community with their planning and encourages early bookings.
Best regards, Gergana
Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 26/11/2024 10:48, Lars Forsberg wrote:
Hey Ole,
I happen to live in Lisbon (and not even 100 meters from the Epic SANA) and sadly, this is the case at many of the larger hotels in town. Especially those who have conference capablities. The only way to get around it is to book at one of the smaller hotels who often have payment when checking in or out, or to go through a travel agency which often has managed to negotiate better payment terms..
Regards, LG
On 25 Nov 2024, at 15:36, Ole Jacobsen via ripe-list <ripe-list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU.
Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO.
You have been warned.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: +81 90 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
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Hi Julf, Thank you for your email. Yes, indeed, the payment link you received (https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt) is legitimate and securely managed. This is the authorised platform EPIC SANA hotel uses for processing payments. Unfortunately, the hotel does not currently accept payments via American Express. If you'd prefer not to use the provided link, they also offer the option of making a bank transfer as an alternative payment method. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Best regards, Gergana Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC On 09/12/2024 18:32, Johan Helsingius via ripe-list wrote:
Thanks Gergana!
Just one more thing... As I received an email from the hotel asking for payment for the one night deposit, can you confirm that https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt is a legit site?
I am a bit concerned about the "Some credit cards may not allow a payment of this type due to the authentication security system imposed by the bank (3D Security).
We advise contacting the bank in order to guarantee that the feature is in need of confirmation to be activated to make the payment through the link.
Please note that American Express cards and Debit cards are not eligible to make the payment using this type of web link, for that the payment can also be made via bank transfer." part.
Generally I prefer to use Amex specifically because they are pretty good at dealing with scammers.
Julf
On 02/12/2024 16:18, Gergana Petrova wrote:
Dear all,
Thank you, Ole, for your email and Lars for your reply.
As many of you are aware, rates in the hospitality industry have been steadily increasing. Throughout our negotiations with EPIC SANA, the RIPE 90 venue, our priority has been to secure the best possible rates for our attendees. Flexible options, such as no-deposit bookings or free cancellations, unfortunately come with significantly higher costs.
I am pleased to share that we have reached an agreement with EPIC SANA to make the booking process more accommodating: - Reservations made before 1 April 2025 will require a deposit of only one night. - Reservations made on or after 2 April 2025 will require payment for the full stay upfront.
We hope this arrangement helps our community with their planning and encourages early bookings.
Best regards, Gergana
Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 26/11/2024 10:48, Lars Forsberg wrote:
Hey Ole,
I happen to live in Lisbon (and not even 100 meters from the Epic SANA) and sadly, this is the case at many of the larger hotels in town. Especially those who have conference capablities. The only way to get around it is to book at one of the smaller hotels who often have payment when checking in or out, or to go through a travel agency which often has managed to negotiate better payment terms..
Regards, LG
On 25 Nov 2024, at 15:36, Ole Jacobsen via ripe-list <ripe- list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU.
Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO.
You have been warned.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: +81 90 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
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In the same vein, in order to be able to expense the hotel deposit, I need an invoice and the hotel does not reply to my request for the invoice :-( Can RIPE do anything about this ? Regards, -éric From: Gergana Petrova <gpetrova@ripe.net> Date: Wednesday, 11 December 2024 at 11:20 To: ripe-list@ripe.net <ripe-list@ripe.net> Subject: [ripe-list] Re: RIPE 90 Lisbon Hotel Booking Conditions Hi Julf, Thank you for your email. Yes, indeed, the payment link you received (https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt) is legitimate and securely managed. This is the authorised platform EPIC SANA hotel uses for processing payments. Unfortunately, the hotel does not currently accept payments via American Express. If you'd prefer not to use the provided link, they also offer the option of making a bank transfer as an alternative payment method. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Best regards, Gergana Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC On 09/12/2024 18:32, Johan Helsingius via ripe-list wrote:
Thanks Gergana!
Just one more thing... As I received an email from the hotel asking for payment for the one night deposit, can you confirm that https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt is a legit site?
I am a bit concerned about the "Some credit cards may not allow a payment of this type due to the authentication security system imposed by the bank (3D Security).
We advise contacting the bank in order to guarantee that the feature is in need of confirmation to be activated to make the payment through the link.
Please note that American Express cards and Debit cards are not eligible to make the payment using this type of web link, for that the payment can also be made via bank transfer." part.
Generally I prefer to use Amex specifically because they are pretty good at dealing with scammers.
Julf
On 02/12/2024 16:18, Gergana Petrova wrote:
Dear all,
Thank you, Ole, for your email and Lars for your reply.
As many of you are aware, rates in the hospitality industry have been steadily increasing. Throughout our negotiations with EPIC SANA, the RIPE 90 venue, our priority has been to secure the best possible rates for our attendees. Flexible options, such as no-deposit bookings or free cancellations, unfortunately come with significantly higher costs.
I am pleased to share that we have reached an agreement with EPIC SANA to make the booking process more accommodating: - Reservations made before 1 April 2025 will require a deposit of only one night. - Reservations made on or after 2 April 2025 will require payment for the full stay upfront.
We hope this arrangement helps our community with their planning and encourages early bookings.
Best regards, Gergana
Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 26/11/2024 10:48, Lars Forsberg wrote:
Hey Ole,
I happen to live in Lisbon (and not even 100 meters from the Epic SANA) and sadly, this is the case at many of the larger hotels in town. Especially those who have conference capablities. The only way to get around it is to book at one of the smaller hotels who often have payment when checking in or out, or to go through a travel agency which often has managed to negotiate better payment terms..
Regards, LG
On 25 Nov 2024, at 15:36, Ole Jacobsen via ripe-list <ripe- list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU.
Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO.
You have been warned.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: +81 90 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
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Hi Gergana, and thanks for confirming they are legit! Julf On 11/12/2024 11:00, Gergana Petrova wrote:
Hi Julf,
Thank you for your email.
Yes, indeed, the payment link you received (https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt) is legitimate and securely managed. This is the authorised platform EPIC SANA hotel uses for processing payments.
Unfortunately, the hotel does not currently accept payments via American Express. If you'd prefer not to use the provided link, they also offer the option of making a bank transfer as an alternative payment method.
Please let me know if you have any further questions.
Best regards, Gergana
Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 09/12/2024 18:32, Johan Helsingius via ripe-list wrote:
Thanks Gergana!
Just one more thing... As I received an email from the hotel asking for payment for the one night deposit, can you confirm that https://pagamentos.reduniq.pt is a legit site?
I am a bit concerned about the "Some credit cards may not allow a payment of this type due to the authentication security system imposed by the bank (3D Security).
We advise contacting the bank in order to guarantee that the feature is in need of confirmation to be activated to make the payment through the link.
Please note that American Express cards and Debit cards are not eligible to make the payment using this type of web link, for that the payment can also be made via bank transfer." part.
Generally I prefer to use Amex specifically because they are pretty good at dealing with scammers.
Julf
On 02/12/2024 16:18, Gergana Petrova wrote:
Dear all,
Thank you, Ole, for your email and Lars for your reply.
As many of you are aware, rates in the hospitality industry have been steadily increasing. Throughout our negotiations with EPIC SANA, the RIPE 90 venue, our priority has been to secure the best possible rates for our attendees. Flexible options, such as no-deposit bookings or free cancellations, unfortunately come with significantly higher costs.
I am pleased to share that we have reached an agreement with EPIC SANA to make the booking process more accommodating: - Reservations made before 1 April 2025 will require a deposit of only one night. - Reservations made on or after 2 April 2025 will require payment for the full stay upfront.
We hope this arrangement helps our community with their planning and encourages early bookings.
Best regards, Gergana
Gergana Petrova Community Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 26/11/2024 10:48, Lars Forsberg wrote:
Hey Ole,
I happen to live in Lisbon (and not even 100 meters from the Epic SANA) and sadly, this is the case at many of the larger hotels in town. Especially those who have conference capablities. The only way to get around it is to book at one of the smaller hotels who often have payment when checking in or out, or to go through a travel agency which often has managed to negotiate better payment terms..
Regards, LG
On 25 Nov 2024, at 15:36, Ole Jacobsen via ripe-list <ripe- list@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi,
Just so you are all aware: The venue hotel for RIPE90, Epic SANA Lisboa, requires FULL payment of your entire stay once you book it. I am disappointed that RIPE engages with properties that enforce these requirements. A one-night deposit or just holding your credit card would be a lot more "normal," in fact I am rather surprised this doesn't violate EU law, but hey, I don't live in the EU.
Given the limited number of rooms available at the venue hotel, I am sure I am not the only one wanting to book early, but paying 6 months in advance does seem rather extreme IMO.
You have been warned.
Ole
Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office: +1 415-550-9433 Cell: +1 415-370-4628 Docomo: +81 90 3337-9311 Web: protocoljournal.org E-mail: olejacobsen@me.com E-mail: ole@protocoljournal.org
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participants (6)
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Eric Vyncke (evyncke) -
Gergana Petrova -
Jim Reid -
Johan Helsingius -
Lars Forsberg -
Ole Jacobsen