Since there doesn’t appear to be a mailing list for RIPE77 attendees, this seems the most suitable place to raise the following. The lovely and efficient NCC meeting staff have sent me (and presumably everyone else) email about practical matters for RIPE77. It contains the following: "You are required to wear your badge during the meeting at ALL times for security purposes.” EH? What “security purposes”? I doubt this badge can protect me from terrorist attack or something dodgy from a nearby frikandel automat. Why are we required to wear badges at all times? When was this rule introduced and who took the decision? Is the next step to have badge goons policing who is allowed to get a coffee or go into the sessions? If a meeting hotel has some silly rule about wearing badges at all times, I would hope we could just say it’s the hotel that’s imposing this nonsense, not RIPE.
On 11/10/18 13:38, Jim Reid wrote:
Since there doesn’t appear to be a mailing list for RIPE77 attendees, this seems the most suitable place to raise the following.
The lovely and efficient NCC meeting staff have sent me (and presumably everyone else) email about practical matters for RIPE77. It contains the following:
"You are required to wear your badge during the meeting at ALL times for security purposes.”
EH?
What “security purposes”? I doubt this badge can protect me from terrorist attack or something dodgy from a nearby frikandel automat. Why are we required to wear badges at all times? When was this rule introduced and who took the decision? Is the next step to have badge goons policing who is allowed to get a coffee or go into the sessions?
The badges for this meeting are being printed on Kevlar and will in fact protect you from a shot to the heart. You are free to wear them in whatever position you need, depending on what body part you value most. As a Scot you may wish to wear it over your wallet... ;-)
On 11 Oct 2018, at 15:22, Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> wrote:
The badges for this meeting are being printed on Kevlar and will in fact protect you from a shot to the heart. You are free to wear them in whatever position you need, depending on what body part you value most. As a Scot you may wish to wear it over your wallet... ;-)
A wallet's that thing for holding banknotes and credit cards, isn't it Nigel? Why would a Scot have a need for such a device? :-)
On 11 Oct 2018, at 15:46, Jim Reid wrote:
A wallet's that thing for holding banknotes and credit cards, isn't it Nigel? Why would a Scot have a need for such a device? :-)
Worn in the traditional position, it complements the kilt. 8-) /Niall
Hi Jim, There's always been an expectation that people will wear their meeting badge, and this is consistent with most similar meetings. When we talk about security, we're generally less concerned about terrorism - we're thinking more in terms of people who might wander in off the street and grab a laptop or cause trouble at the meeting. This is not that uncommon for events held in hotels. We have also had a couple of people in the past trying to attend the meeting without paying - which is unfair to those who have paid for their ticket. In practice nothing has changed - this wording was used in the email we sent ahead of RIPE 76 as well. Kind regards Martina de Mas Event Organiser RIPE NCC
On 11 Oct 2018, at 14:38, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
Since there doesn’t appear to be a mailing list for RIPE77 attendees, this seems the most suitable place to raise the following.
The lovely and efficient NCC meeting staff have sent me (and presumably everyone else) email about practical matters for RIPE77. It contains the following:
"You are required to wear your badge during the meeting at ALL times for security purposes.”
EH?
What “security purposes”? I doubt this badge can protect me from terrorist attack or something dodgy from a nearby frikandel automat. Why are we required to wear badges at all times? When was this rule introduced and who took the decision? Is the next step to have badge goons policing who is allowed to get a coffee or go into the sessions?
If a meeting hotel has some silly rule about wearing badges at all times, I would hope we could just say it’s the hotel that’s imposing this nonsense, not RIPE.
On 11 Oct 2018, at 15:24, Meeting <meeting@ripe.net> wrote:
There's always been an expectation that people will wear their meeting badge, and this is consistent with most similar meetings.
... In practice nothing has changed - this wording was used in the email we sent ahead of RIPE 76 as well.
Thanks Martina for the clarification. Perhaps this text could be softened for next time: "attendees are kindly requested to wear their badge during the meeting"? Saying badge-wearing is compulsory for security reasons seems heavy-handed. I don't remember language like that in any of the bumf for the other meetings I attend.
On 11 Oct 2018, at 16:43, Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> wrote:
On 11 Oct 2018, at 15:24, Meeting <meeting@ripe.net> wrote: There's always been an expectation that people will wear their meeting badge, and this is consistent with most similar meetings. ... In practice nothing has changed - this wording was used in the email we sent ahead of RIPE 76 as well. Thanks Martina for the clarification. Perhaps this text could be softened for next time: "attendees are kindly requested to wear their badge during the meeting"? Saying badge-wearing is compulsory for security reasons seems heavy-handed. I don't remember language like that in any of the bumf for the other meetings I attend.
We have used similar language in our email to UKNOF (and DNS-OARC) delegates. :-) ===== Venue security requires you to wear an official UKNOFxx delegate badge (created for you personally) at all times. ===== ;-) Regards Denesh
When we talk about security, we're generally less concerned about terrorism - we're thinking more in terms of people who might wander in off the street and grab a laptop or cause trouble at the meeting. This is not that uncommon for events held in hotels.
i had an ipad snatched this way at a nanog. ietf in paris was amazing, dozens of laptops stolen, most out of hotel rooms; thieves had the master key. i try to remember to wear my badge, and high so folk can easily pretend they remember my name. randy
Hi, On Thu, 11 Oct 2018, Randy Bush wrote:
When we talk about security, we're generally less concerned about terrorism - we're thinking more in terms of people who might wander in off the street and grab a laptop or cause trouble at the meeting. This is not that uncommon for events held in hotels.
i had an ipad snatched this way at a nanog. ietf in paris was amazing, dozens of laptops stolen, most out of hotel rooms; thieves had the master key.
i try to remember to wear my badge, and high so folk can easily pretend they remember my name.
randy
What Niall said. Fergal. -- Fergal Suipeil Systems Programmer IT Services University College Dublin Belfield, Dublin 4 Ireland
When we talk about security, we're generally less concerned about terrorism - we're thinking more in terms of people who might wander in off the street and grab a laptop or cause trouble at the meeting. This is not that uncommon for events held in hotels. i had an ipad snatched this way at a nanog. ietf in paris was amazing, dozens of laptops stolen, most out of hotel rooms; thieves had the master key. We had an employee signing-in at a conference in a major European capital 2 years ago and when he put down his wallet and phone on the conference check-in table, the person behind him in line grabbed the
On 11/10/2018 18:03, Randy Bush wrote: phone and wallet and ran out, with him and the conference organizers sitting behind the table in utter shock. This happened pre-badge assignment, so the RIPE advisory would not have helped in this case either. -Hank
i try to remember to wear my badge, and high so folk can easily pretend they remember my name.
randy
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