excited to discuss plans for Ljubljana and Odessa
i haven't read the archived, but i'm very, very exited to see this group put together. i have brought my children to networking industry events for several years (most recently at a ripe 2+ years ago in amsterdam). not sure what other people are interested in, but i figure understanding each other's circumstances and interests will help, so i'll start: i have two kids, Agatha aged 7 and Beatrix aged 4. We live in the eastern part of the united states (pittsburgh, about 700km west of NYC. my kids have been to NANOG meetings in the US, one RIPE meeting in amsterdam and when Agatha was *really* young on a peering cruise. i'm excited to get them the chance to go to other places. the challenges that i've seen in the past are housing, childcare and balance between fun at the event and seeing/caring for the kids. one solution we found was to bring my partner's mother with us to amsterdam and rent a house. my partner took care of our kids during the day (i took some time with them as well) and then her mama took care of them at night while we went to the socials. it worked really well. who else is planning on (or thinking about) bringing kids to either Ljubljana, Odessa or both? cheers, todd underwood toddunder@gmail.com
Hello Todd, et al, I am pretty sure you are all enthusiastically listening to the RIPE NCC Services WG. So let me take the chance to introduce my little family. We live in Hamburg (Northern Germany). Finja is 6, Matilda is 3. I never brought them to any meetings so far especially because they all conflicted with Finja going to school and we can not take her off school for a whole week. Also for next RIPE Meeting, it is one week before school's out in our area of Germany. So we still need to make a decision here. Maybe only spend the weekend before/after with the family or only with one daughter or .. no idea. I am pretty sure there are parents with similar problems. I'd love to bring Rebekka and the kids to one of the upcoming meetings, though. Unless this gets solved, the only one I have to entertain during the week is me :) -Sascha On Wed, 2 Nov 2011, Todd Underwood wrote:
i haven't read the archived, but i'm very, very exited to see this group put together.
i have brought my children to networking industry events for several years (most recently at a ripe 2+ years ago in amsterdam).
not sure what other people are interested in, but i figure understanding each other's circumstances and interests will help, so i'll start:
i have two kids, Agatha aged 7 and Beatrix aged 4. We live in the eastern part of the united states (pittsburgh, about 700km west of NYC.
my kids have been to NANOG meetings in the US, one RIPE meeting in amsterdam and when Agatha was *really* young on a peering cruise. i'm excited to get them the chance to go to other places.
the challenges that i've seen in the past are housing, childcare and balance between fun at the event and seeing/caring for the kids. one solution we found was to bring my partner's mother with us to amsterdam and rent a house. my partner took care of our kids during the day (i took some time with them as well) and then her mama took care of them at night while we went to the socials. it worked really well.
who else is planning on (or thinking about) bringing kids to either Ljubljana, Odessa or both?
cheers,
todd underwood toddunder@gmail.com
sascha, all, On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Sascha E. Pollok <sp@iphh.net> wrote:
I am pretty sure you are all enthusiastically listening to the RIPE NCC Services WG. So let me take the chance to introduce my little family.
yes, we're paying *rapt* attention! :-)
We live in Hamburg (Northern Germany). Finja is 6, Matilda is 3. I never brought them to any meetings so far especially because they all conflicted with Finja going to school and we can not take her off school for a whole week.
yes, so i was thinking about this. my perspective was that i would consider traveling to just be more educational than a week at home of school. i can probably successfully argue with the school about that. t.
Todd, et al,
I am pretty sure you are all enthusiastically listening to the RIPE NCC Services WG. So let me take the chance to introduce my little family.
yes, we're paying *rapt* attention! :-)
We live in Hamburg (Northern Germany). Finja is 6, Matilda is 3. I never brought them to any meetings so far especially because they all conflicted with Finja going to school and we can not take her off school for a whole week.
yes, so i was thinking about this. my perspective was that i would consider traveling to just be more educational than a week at home of school. i can probably successfully argue with the school about that.
Good point. Will discuss that at home and after we have reached consensus, will bring this forward to her teacher ;-) S.
Hi Todd, Sascha, all, thanks for the intro! (I am listening to ncc-services, so my intro will follow later ;-) On 11/2/11 4:46 PM, Todd Underwood wrote:
all conflicted with Finja going to school and we can not take her off school for a whole week.
This is a very big problem in Holland - for me it is very difficult to take kids out of school...
yes, so i was thinking about this. my perspective was that i would consider traveling to just be more educational than a week at home of school. i can probably successfully argue with the school about that.
... so if you do "successfully argue with the school about that", please share! One of the Monday meeting requests was for that - a draft/sample letter, by RIPE, to be used to persuade schools to let the kids out ;-) Thanks, Vesna
yes, so i was thinking about this. my perspective was that i would consider traveling to just be more educational than a week at home of school. i can probably successfully argue with the school about that.
... so if you do "successfully argue with the school about that", please share!
One of the Monday meeting requests was for that - a draft/sample letter, by RIPE, to be used to persuade schools to let the kids out ;-)
that is a great idea. honestly, i think this is a very simple argument for *me* to make (naturally, i do not understand each of your situations). my sales pitch will go something like this: my children have never been to eastern europe. they live in the united states and only speak english and spanish. it is difficult to experience substantial change from anywhere inside of the US due to its size. travel to other countries that are quite different is fantastic for children. it expands their worldview and provides them more perspective on their own lives/societies/families/nations. i can probably expand that a bit, but that was my sketch of the argument i would provide. i don't actually think i *need* the school's permission, but i'm not yet sure. t
Todd,
One of the Monday meeting requests was for that - a draft/sample letter, by RIPE, to be used to persuade schools to let the kids out ;-)
that is a great idea. [...] i don't actually think i *need* the school's permission, but i'm not yet sure.
Ok thats definitely different. Kids in Germany are required to attend school. Reasons not to go are illness, death of a family member and things like that. Of course there is some way to discuss and get the schools permission but without it, there is not way. Could be similar in the Netherlands. Cheers Sascha
On 2 November 2011 17:00, Sascha E. Pollok <sp@iphh.net> wrote:
Ok thats definitely different. Kids in Germany are required to attend school. Reasons not to go are illness, death of a family member and things like that. Of course there is some way to discuss and get the schools permission but without it, there is not way. Could be similar in the Netherlands.
Hi Folks It's not so strict in the UK, I mean I will still have to coerce the school to give my son 'authorised absence' but I know of other parents that have done this for other reasons, extended holidays in far away countries for example. I'll certainly consider bringing my family to the next meeting, thanks for inviting me to the group. -- Daniel Holme
Hi Guys, Daniel Holme wrote:
It's not so strict in the UK, I mean I will still have to coerce the school to give my son 'authorised absence' but I know of other parents that have done this for other reasons, extended holidays in far away countries for example.
some countries (like Germany) have compulsory school attendance, others (like the U.S., UK as well I think) "only" compulsory education (I say "only" because I personally would prefer your system). So, for example, homeschooling is not allowed in Germany. Unfortunately, this makes it quite more difficult for us Old Europe Germans. :-) So there are little options. We could have them take a fake sick leave, but I think we shouldn't teach our kids it is possible to go a long way with lying. Or we could try to convince the school and have a permit. AFAICS, some schools are quite liberal, but most are strict. If the school doesn't permit and we will go anyway to RIPE with the kids, the school may report this to the local authorities, which may fine the parents (or even harder penalties, in repeating cases). This really sucks. I don't yet know what I will do. Maybe I will face confrontation with school and local authorities. For now I'm quite happy my Emily is just 4 (but BTW, Vienna is her 5th RIPE meeting, maybe she is the record holder :-) and I not yet have this kind of problems. And Emily will at least join Ljubljana as well. :-) bye, rolf
Hello Vesna,
yes, so i was thinking about this. my perspective was that i would consider traveling to just be more educational than a week at home of school. i can probably successfully argue with the school about that.
... so if you do "successfully argue with the school about that", please share!
One of the Monday meeting requests was for that - a draft/sample letter, by RIPE, to be used to persuade schools to let the kids out ;-)
Like in "We would like to invite Finja as a junior speaker at the RIPE 64 junior plenary talking about IPv6-enabled ballet and princess stuff"? :-) -Sascha
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Vesna Manojlovic -
Weber, Rolf