Hi all,

I am not opposed to this in principle. I see some value. However, I think it would be good to take an impact analysis into account in order to prioritise this relative to other rpki improvements. I agree with others who have said that there may be more valuable things for the ripe ncc to focus on, eg:

- rpki ta key rolls
- robustness wrt abuse of the system (producing thousands or millions of objects)
- aspa path validation with rpki

Tim


> On 2 Nov 2019, at 10:52, Carlos Friaças via routing-wg <routing-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
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>
>
> Hi,
> (please see inline)
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>
>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2019, Gert Doering wrote:
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>> Hi,
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>>> On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 07:09:42AM +0100, Job Snijders wrote:
>>> So we really have to wonder whether this is worth it, or whether a few
>>> emails or phone calls can also solve the issue.
>>
>> Isn't that the whole question underlying RPKI deployment?
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>> What is it that we want to stop with RPKI?  Only classic "prefix hijacking"
>> (announcing space that is formally delegated somewhere)
>
> With RPKI alone, mistakes.
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> But when in doubt if network X has rights over network Y, it's rather simple to ask network X to create a proper ROA for network Y.
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> If that *doesn't* happen, maybe some conclusions can be drawn.
> (there is a recent thread on the NANOG list where someone raised that "feature"...)
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>
>> or other misuses
>> of BGP, like "announce unallocated space, use that for spamming or other
>> sorts of network attacks, withdraw announcement before people can track
>> things back to you".
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>> From *one* computer security emergency response team's angle:
> RPKI is a good first step. Then, hopefully, ASPA can be added at some point.
>
> Playing the quick withdraw game will only work (and it is working, i suspect!) until people start understanding they need to log who announces what to them (24/7/365).
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> Speaking about "network attacks" -- there is a lot of focus about the address space being hijacked, while major focus should be on those who receive the announcements. While it's terrible for the people/networks being impersonating, the potential targets are really everyone...
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> ps: i wish to express support for 2019-08 in its current form.
>
> Cheers,
> Carlos
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>
>
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